Zygons vs Seeds?

[RobFilth]

Both good stories, but Seeds edges it.

Season 13 is the high point of the entire classic series for me personally.

Whats all this blasphemy about Planet of Evil, Android Invasion and Brain of Morbius?

All 3 of those stories would probably top a seasonal poll during Davisons era.

[rushy]

I don't get the hate for Morbius (peak Tom Baker for me), but Android Invasion is a little clunky and Planet of Evil is only notable for the set design/atmosphere

[RobFilth]

Jun 27, 2024 20:05:08 GMT rushy said:

I don't get the hate for Morbius (peak Tom Baker for me), but Android Invasion is a little clunky and Planet of Evil is only notable for the set design/atmosphere

Android Invasion is great, it's like a Series 7 UNIT story.

Okay the Brig is missing and the Guy Crayford/eyepatch reveal is a bit daft, but Tom Baker kicks arse in it and there is excellent intrigue around episode 1 and some fantastic cliffhangers too.

Planet of Evil is also notable for the gruesome corpses the Planet leaves behind and the (what was at the time), terrifying sound the antimatter monster makes each time it's presence approaches. It has some kick ass acting from cast all round too.

[iank]

I rather like Planet of Evil, but Android is just dull and Morbius is really, really cheap and pantomine (particularly Sladen's performance). The Sisterhood also get right on my tits.

[Ludders II]

Jun 27, 2024 21:19:24 GMT iank said:

The Sisterhood also get right on my tits.

[Ludders II]

Objectively Seeds is the best, alongside Pyramids. But personal favouritism comes into play, and Brain of Morbius is top tier for me.

Pyramids of Mars
Brain of Morbius
Seeds of Doom
Terror of the Zygons

All Classics.

And then: 

Android Invasion
Planet of Evil

Android Invasion has gone up a bit after my last viewing, but I still find Planet of Evil a bit on the dull side.
But the top 4, make this my favourite Tom Baker season of all, despite Genesis being my favourite story of all time.

Similar story with S12 in that a couple my personal favourites aren't objectively the best. Recent-ish rewatches have bumped up Revenge of the Cybermen, and I've always loved Robot, even though they're not true classics. Whilst The Sontaran Experiment just feels like filler, even though there's not too much wrong with it.

Genesis of the Daleks
Ark in Space
Robot
Revenge of the Cybermen
The Sontaran Experiment

I talked about 14 earlier in the thread, but whilst I'm in the mood for rankings....

Robots of Death
Talons of Weng Chiang
Deadly Assassin
Face of Evil
Hand of Fear
Masque of Mandragora

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Seeds although love both I prefer seeds to Morbius as well

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I love tony Beckley's very eccentric mysterious Harrison Chase and his acting as the krynoid controlled Chase is exemplary.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

Zygons is my third favourite Hinchcliffe story nowadays. Shape shifting aliens, a foggy village in Scotland (which isn't really Scotland but who cares?) UNIT, Camfield's direction, the evocative score and the regulars all at their best. It came 14th in the DWM poll in 2014 for a reason. The Zygons are such an incredible race of villains. I thought they were utterly wasted in Day of the Doctor.

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Jul 10, 2024 23:01:46 GMT Cherry Pepsi Maxil said:

Zygons is my third favourite Hinchcliffe story nowadays. Shape shifting aliens, a foggy village in Scotland (which isn't really Scotland but who cares?) UNIT, Camfield's direction, the evocative score and the regulars all at their best. It came 14th in the DWM poll in 2014 for a reason. The Zygons are such an incredible race of villains. I thought they were utterly wasted in Day of the Doctor.

Their redesign sucks. They make them too obviously menacing with the sharp teeth and angular faces. The originals were much more uncanny

[iank]

The redesign was cartoony. It's always the way with New Who.