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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2024 12:22:22 GMT
A "threefold deity" was also mentioned, which I assume represents the Gods of Ragnarok
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 15, 2024 12:24:46 GMT
Sorry I got lost in Freema's eyes what were you saying again? |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jun 15, 2024 12:43:59 GMT
They actually don't know which animal Set is supposed to represent. Could be anything from a pig to a jackal to an aardvark. It's obvious which animal Nutekh is.   I am thoroughly SICK of the way they keep leeching off Roland. First the 10th Doctor and now THIS..!!! |
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Post by rushy on Jun 15, 2024 14:46:52 GMT
A "threefold deity" was also mentioned, which I assume represents the Gods of Ragnarok RTD missing the subtext of Greatest Show in the Galaxy and just using it to prop his own dying show up is so brilliantly funny that it would almost make it all worth it. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 15, 2024 15:14:08 GMT
A "threefold deity" was also mentioned, which I assume represents the Gods of Ragnarok RTD missing the subtext of Greatest Show in the Galaxy and just using it to prop his own dying show up is so brilliantly funny that it would almost make it all worth it. Greatest Show in The Galaxy had.... A smug elitist fanboy based on Chris Chibnall who wants to take it over and fails miserably. An insufferable boring ego maniac like RTD who thinks that he was the reason for its success and whose sidekick/leading man thinks he is a total prick, and who then just when we think we have gotten rid of him, returns worse than ever only to go tumbling into oblivion. It also portrays the DW expy as having become hollow, shallow and only kept alive by idiots at the top who have no idea on how to make proper entertainment "MOOOOOOORRRRREEEEEE". That's a f*cking supernatural level of foreshadowing. Oh and Sophie would also later go to appear in something about a magic circus haha. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2024 15:17:21 GMT
But why is this the best, just from a storytelling perspective? From a tension building perspective, it's flawless. I haven't been this excited for Who since Series 3. I agree that it's brilliant although I like some other episodes slightly more. If the second episode is as good then I'll consider it one of the (few) greats of NuWho. Also just to follow this up. You felt the same way about Power of the Doctor, no? And that was basically just because they brought Ace and 7 back and did a bunch of fanwank. I can't help feeling that's the case here too. Any idiot on Wattpad could write "and then Sutekh shows up at the end!!!!" just as any idiot could put Ian or Jo in it. I find it hard to celebrate that mode of writing. There were a couple of great setpieces in this episode (Time Window, Sutekh himself), but overall the plotting was just bad. The first scenes at UNIT base were diabolical. I hate how everyone's so buddy-buddy with one another and they've just got teenaged kids running around for no reason. Why would a paramilitary/espionage branch of the United Nations employ a teenage girl, who doesn't seem to have any useful skills or really do anything at all, in its head office on the bridge of the tower??? Remember this is a company that's supposed to be more secret than MI6. I have a lot of problems with modern UNIT but this episode exemplifies pretty much all of them. All the characters kiss each others' arses. "I loooove Davina McCall" yuck |
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Post by rushy on Jun 15, 2024 15:21:58 GMT
Brigadier Bambera would never have stood for this.
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Post by burrunjor on Jun 15, 2024 15:32:39 GMT
From a tension building perspective, it's flawless. I haven't been this excited for Who since Series 3. I agree that it's brilliant although I like some other episodes slightly more. If the second episode is as good then I'll consider it one of the (few) greats of NuWho. Also just to follow this up. You felt the same way about Power of the Doctor, no? And that was basically just because they brought Ace and 7 back and did a bunch of fanwank. I can't help feeling that's the case here too. Any idiot on Wattpad could write "and then Sutekh shows up at the end!!!!" just as any idiot could put Ian or Jo in it. I find it hard to celebrate that mode of writing. There were a couple of great setpieces in this episode (Time Window, Sutekh himself), but overall the plotting was just bad. The first scenes at UNIT base were diabolical. I hate how everyone's so buddy-buddy with one another and they've just got teenaged kids running around for no reason. Why would a paramilitary/espionage branch of the United Nations employ a teenage girl, who doesn't seem to have any useful skills or really do anything at all, in its head office on the bridge of the tower??? Remember this is a company that's supposed to be more secret than MI6. I have a lot of problems with modern UNIT but this episode exemplifies pretty much all of them. All the characters kiss each others' arses. "I loooove Davina McCall" yuck 100 percent agreed with all of this. That Davina McCall bit was so cringe. Nothing against Maxil just to be clear (I'm sure that was obvious but after having spent time on Reddit you're used to people taking offense.) Honestly this is one of these episodes that provided you're not pissed off with the show beyond redemption like me LOL, I can see it being thrilling seeing Sutekh return (even more when it was a surprise unlike me who saw it first thing I logged on.) However I think it is one that will lose a lot of appeal on rewatch value. |
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Post by Ludders II on Jun 15, 2024 15:46:44 GMT
Time is memory and memory is time, or whatever. Memory power!
Any well thought out bullshit concept by Russell and his magic pen. 🙄 😆
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Post by rushy on Jun 15, 2024 15:58:20 GMT
I'm glad they got Gabriel Woolf back and might watch his scenes on Youtube at some point, but Sutekh returning is not remotely interesting to me. I don't think his type of villainy really lends itself to repeat appearances. I'd honestly be more interested in seeing the Beast again.
EDIT: Apparently Murray played a variation of the Saxon Master theme for Sutekh's reveal. f*ck, that would've been so much better. Bring John Simm back.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Jun 15, 2024 16:44:44 GMT
Popped over to R/Gallifrey and guess what. No c*nt sounds happy about Sutekh.
Most are moaning. They either wanted the Beast instead, are hoping Sutekh & the Beast are the same character or, best of all, bitching that Woolf wasn't recast, which lead to posts in favour of recasting legacy Actors.
f*ck me how long has it been since that Jodie era episode with all the cameos, everyone was clapping like performing seals back then. Just how broken is this f*cking fandom that posts like this are the bloody norm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2024 17:10:08 GMT
Popped over to R/Gallifrey and guess what. No c*nt sounds happy about Sutekh. Most are moaning. They either wanted the Beast instead, are hoping Sutekh & the Beast are the same character or, best of all, bitching that Woolf wasn't recast, which lead to posts in favour of recasting legacy Actors. f*ck me how long has it been since that Jodie era episode with all the cameos, everyone was clapping like performing seals back then. Just how broken is this f*cking fandom that posts like this are the bloody norm. I thought he put in a great performance for being 90 odd. It's a legacy character anyway, much like Alpha Centauri, so why not bring back the original voice actor? I think David Bradley is a great actor, but him playing the First Doctor feels a bit too much like grave-robbing for my liking. It worked in the docudrama film because that was a dramatisation of real events, but it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth when done in the actual show. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2024 17:18:22 GMT
I'm tired of the lore being messed with. That is to say, the Doctor's origin and really the whole ethos of the show. It's boring beyond anything. Hell Bent? Disaster. Timeless Children? Even bigger disaster. And who knows what RTD has in store for us. Likely the Doctor is a member of the Pantheon somehow. Whatever, it's just more lore-wanking. Always hated it. Even the VNAs were glorified try-hard-edgy fanwank. For God's sake, his name is Doctor WHO? We're not supposed to know who this guy is, we don't really want to know. It's nice to get a few tidbits that he might be something more than he seems, but that's it. That's why I didn't mind the Time War during the original RTD run, because beyond being a war between Time Lords and Daleks, we didn't really know what it was, what happened, who was involved. Just breadcrumbs of information like the "Nightmare Child" or whatever.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Jun 15, 2024 17:39:21 GMT
Popped over to R/Gallifrey and guess what. No c*nt sounds happy about Sutekh. Most are moaning. They either wanted the Beast instead, are hoping Sutekh & the Beast are the same character or, best of all, bitching that Woolf wasn't recast, which lead to posts in favour of recasting legacy Actors. f*ck me how long has it been since that Jodie era episode with all the cameos, everyone was clapping like performing seals back then. Just how broken is this f*cking fandom that posts like this are the bloody norm. I thought he put in a great performance for being 90 odd. It's a legacy character anyway, much like Alpha Centauri, so why not bring back the original voice actor? I think David Bradley is a great actor, but him playing the First Doctor feels a bit too much like grave-robbing for my liking. It worked in the docudrama film because that was a dramatisation of real events, but it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth when done in the actual show. It's not his performance. That's just wanted him recast for reasons. f*cked if I could understand those reasons. It read as some kind of bigotry towards an older actor reprising there role. How the f*ck that came about after singing praises during those specials and the gormless cheering over Tennent I don't bloody know. |
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Post by Ludders II on Jun 15, 2024 18:17:09 GMT
Popped over to R/Gallifrey and guess what. No c*nt sounds happy about Sutekh. Most are moaning. They either wanted the Beast instead, are hoping Sutekh & the Beast are the same character or, best of all, bitching that Woolf wasn't recast, which lead to posts in favour of recasting legacy Actors. f*ck me how long has it been since that Jodie era episode with all the cameos, everyone was clapping like performing seals back then. Just how broken is this f*cking fandom that posts like this are the bloody norm. It worked in the docudrama film because that was a dramatisation of real events, but it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth when done in the actual show. Not as much as Moffat's disrespectfully misrepresentitive script. |
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