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Post by burrunjor on May 16, 2024 22:22:11 GMT
I really don't give a shit about these semantic games. You're just afraid of admitting that you can be a massive fan of something without getting it or understanding what makes it good. There's enough fanfiction on the internet for that to be readily apparent. Oh you can be. My very good friend Claudia Boleyn in all honesty I don't think gets the character of the Doctor. She always goes on about how she thinks he (they in her words) represent kindness, love and acceptance. For me personally that's a wrong take. The Doctor in many ways is a total asshole LOL. I mean he's obviously not a bad man, but yeah he's an arrogant shit, reckless, a bit of a snob, selfish, childish a hypocrite in some ways, a braggard. and a very ruthless individual when he has to be. That's what makes it quite funny that he ends up being a hero as in some ways he's the last person you'd think of as one, but that's quite nice as it shows you anyone can rise to the challenge. I'd never dream of saying Claudia isn't a real fan though, as she does obviously love the show. It's gotten her through hard times and made her life better. With RTD however to start with his love for it always comes over as insincere, like he's overcompensating. He also has a complete lack of basic knowledge of certain things like the gun stuff. We also know he wanted to do something else first and then used DW to launch that (Torchwood.) He also regularly displays open contempt for the original in numerous interviews and his behavior isn't just someone who has a different, or radical take on it. He actively wants to replace everything in it as much as he can. Even beyond the ideological, why does he want DW to be a supernatural show? Clearly he doesn't want to write actual DW stories. It would be like if I did a version of Buffy and then said "I don't want to do vampire stories, let's have aliens invade and make them the focus." To me Iank is right. He's a conman who is a good bullshitter and saw DW as a cash cow. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 22:33:11 GMT
Can you link any interviews with him displaying open contempt?
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Post by burrunjor on May 17, 2024 9:40:40 GMT
Can you link any interviews with him displaying open contempt? In his book the Writers Tale he regularly attacks the original show for having no emotional content at all. He states that the ending of the Green Death is the one time that the series ever had any kind of emotional depth, and there was also an interview with was it Richard Herring that was shared on here where he again blasts that and states that it's a much better show now thanks to that. Meanwhile look made the cover of Time Magazine.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 10:24:07 GMT
Can you link any interviews with him displaying open contempt? In his book the Writers Tale he regularly attacks the original show for having no emotional content at all. He states that the ending of the Green Death is the one time that the series ever had any kind of emotional depth, and there was also an interview with was it Richard Herring that was shared on here where he again blasts that and states that it's a much better show now thanks to that. Well he's not exactly wrong. I don't watch classic Who for its emotional moments. Its sterility can be refreshing when I've had enough with people's shit lol. I just wanna see a guy beat some aliens. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 17, 2024 14:48:29 GMT
Can you link any interviews with him displaying open contempt? In his book the Writers Tale he regularly attacks the original show for having no emotional content at all. He states that the ending of the Green Death is the one time that the series ever had any kind of emotional depth, and there was also an interview with was it Richard Herring that was shared on here where he again blasts that and states that it's a much better show now thanks to that. Meanwhile look made the cover of Time Magazine. Here's what he had to say concerning the "racist" backlash: “There were those people, but I would say the love drowned them out. Sorry, losers!” Does he not get that the majority of the people don't find his race to be an issue? It's his attitude, misunderstanding of the show and narcissism that is turning viewers off him. I f*cking love Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop because he's great at what he does. That's why I'll be watching his new film on the first day. Ncuti isn't good enough at what he does to make me want to rush out and consume anything he's in. This implication that the only reason anyone would criticize a person of colour is because of bigotry is insane. It exists, of course it does, but it annoys me people with genuine problems with his "f*ck the fans" attitude and the fact that he can't act are smeared as racists. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 17, 2024 15:07:33 GMT
There were those people, but I would say the love drowned them out. Sorry, losers!” Love? Barring the production team's egos, I don't see much love for anything or anyone on display in this era, least of all for Doctor Who. And why does he feel compelled to make this conversation central to every other interview about the series? I don't see any ideas up for discussion here. He and Davies are utterly vacuous- as far as they're concerned, all that matters is that the series is made in their image, with anyone resistant to that image instantly rejected. Textbook televisual narcissism. This implication that the only reason anyone would criticize a person of colour is because of bigotry is insane. It exists, of course it does, but it annoys me people with genuine problems with his "f*ck the fans" attitude and the fact that he can't act are smeared as racists. It's also an attitude which bellies Gatwa's own self-interest. All they're doing is trivialising the concept of racial discrimination, inevitably making a critical observer who knew little better more scornful of anyone genuinely experiencing racial discrimination by association, and therefore ironically making racial discrimination (either towards himself or others) more likely. Gatwa's completely overlooked this for the sake of spotlight-stealing PR. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 17, 2024 15:19:02 GMT
In his book the Writers Tale he regularly attacks the original show for having no emotional content at all. He states that the ending of the Green Death is the one time that the series ever had any kind of emotional depth, and there was also an interview with was it Richard Herring that was shared on here where he again blasts that and states that it's a much better show now thanks to that. Meanwhile look made the cover of Time Magazine. Here's what he had to say concerning the "racist" backlash: “There were those people, but I would say the love drowned them out. Sorry, losers!” Does he not get that the majority of the people don't find his race to be an issue? It's his attitude, misunderstanding of the show and narcissism that is turning viewers off him. I f*cking love Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop because he's great at what he does. That's why I'll be watching his new film on the first day. Ncuti isn't good enough at what he does to make me want to rush out and consume anything he's in. This implication that the only reason anyone would criticize a person of colour is because of bigotry is insane. It exists, of course it does, but it annoys me people with genuine problems with his "f*ck the fans" attitude and the fact that he can't act are smeared as racists. Nah you're a racist. So am I clearly. I mean I've written a series with a black woman as the main protagonist, based on a real black woman Dionne Bromfield I admired, one of my favourite series Red Dwarf has a 50 percent black cast, many of my favourite actors and singers like Susan Wokoma and Misha B who I've even chatted with online in a friendly way are black, but clearly when it comes to this one show my instinctive problems with seeing a black person in a leading role bubble to the surface and it makes me mad, maaaaaaaaaaad. The fact that this show with a black man is also by any measure f*cking awful, with poorly written and disgusting plots, dreadful acting, and is taking the place of something I genuinely loved is all just a coincidence. Clearly. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 15:31:52 GMT
One of my favourite movies is about black lesbians. Demographics really don't f*cking matter when you're telling a compelling story.
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Post by ClockworkOcean on May 17, 2024 16:00:31 GMT
My favourite science fiction show ever is Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, which was led by a black captain and female first officer with only one undisguised white man in the entire main cast, in addition to featuring the first ever lesbian romance on American TV among other advances. All of those actors were hired because they were top-tier performers who truly deserved their respective roles, not to comply with some arbitrary quota system or appease an angry mob on the Internet. Zero-talent charlatans like Gatwa and Whittaker would be laughed off set if they had to measure up to a cast of that calibre.
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Post by burrunjor on May 17, 2024 16:03:00 GMT
My favourite science fiction show ever is Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, which was led by a black captain and female first officer with only one undisguised white man in the entire main cast, in addition to featuring the first ever lesbian romance on American TV among other advances. All of those actors were hired because they were top-tier performers who truly deserved their respective roles, not to comply with some arbitrary quota system or appease an angry mob on the Internet. Zero-talent charlatans like Gatwa and Whittaker would be laughed off set if they had to measure up to a cast of that calibre. WOW didn't know you liked DS9 to that extent. Granted that's just because you don't bore everyone with your interests like I do LOL. It's weird seeing someone do that. Just out of interest where does classic who rank in your list and what would you say your favourite fantasy series is? |
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Post by zarius on May 17, 2024 16:07:40 GMT
Kai Wynn is basically twitter and ends up like twitter
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Post by rushy on May 17, 2024 16:33:23 GMT
I just want Gatwa to stop being a fashion faux pas on two legs tbh
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 17, 2024 16:34:38 GMT
I just want Gatwa to stop being a fashion faux pas on two legs tbh You can get your hopes up for that once hell freezes over. |
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Post by iank on May 17, 2024 21:44:43 GMT
No one cares he's black. We care he's playing the Doctor as a mincing gay stereotype. But then I suspect they all know that because this kind of bollocks is standard defence for these losers - pretending to win an argument no one was having.
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