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Post by burrunjor on May 16, 2024 13:10:56 GMT
The drums weren't a result of the untempered schism. For all we know that's just a fanciful story the Doctor made up to justify the Master's insanity. The drums were planted in the Master's head by the Time Lords during the Time War. Yes, but it's said to be that the sound of the drums in his head was what drove him insane. I mean to be fair that would drive anyone insane. Like I said it's not a bad take on the Joker/Carnage/Callisto type of villain at all, but it just doesn't mesh with old who, which is why new who should have been a remake or a loose sequel. Again I don't think you have to stick to the original series canon. To me doing that is killing the franchise stone dead, but if you are then you should make it faithful or else what is the point? |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 13:12:43 GMT
It's disjointed but I can excuse it because time travel is weird and nonlinear. I assume the Time Lords during the Time War imbued the drums in the Master's head when he was a boy by manipulating time, thus the Master we saw in the classic series existed in a continuity before the Time War and so didn't have the drums.
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Post by burrunjor on May 16, 2024 16:46:39 GMT
My dad is the biggest anti-woke conservative you'll ever meet, but even he enjoyed Missy. It was an interesting thing to do and freshened up the dynamic a bit, even if it opened the floodgates for what we have today. I think the reason numbers tanked is because of the general story quality. I remember watching it at the time thinking it felt so tired and out of steam. Conservatives always argue that women aren't fit for anything other than being housewives and mothers by and large. T hey paint all feminists as too ugly to get a man, bring up studies that say women have become more miserable the more rights they get, and they have the same obsession with cat ladies that feminists have with incels. They also make out that men can go for ages without women, but women can't cope without men. Guys like Dave Cullen always say that men can bury themselves in hobbies, whilst women have nothing outside of being with men.
Missy meanwhile is a female character whose entire motivation is being with a man. Worse when she was a man she wanted to take over the universe, but now she's a woman her entire priority is being with her fella. That backs up all of their views. The male Master thinks about ruling the universe, the female one only thinks about being with the Doctor. Also conservatives like to make out that women are more emotional, and again Missy is the Master who cries, is moved by the Doctors cheesy speech in direct contrast to her hard male predecessor etc. Do you think conservative viewers would enjoy villains like Alti from Xena, Glory from Buffy, or Jadis? Genuinely strong female villains who have grand motivations to take over the world/universe? Who aren't in love with any men around them? Who torture male characters, beat them up, humiliate them, outsmart them, treat them like they are nothing? I can easily see someone like Dave Cullen hating Alti/Glory/Jadis for not being proper female characters, and praising Missy for being a proper feminine villain who represents womanhood. Found this post on twitter that pretty much backs up everything I'm saying. A conservative guy actually said at a graduation speech that the women who had spent years studying for a PHD had wasted their time LOL. Of course the conservatives back him up. x.com/matthewdmarsden/status/1791094789812691328Again with this in mind is it any wonder that the conservatives love Missy LOL. I'm not saying that is what the character was supposed to promote btw (though Moffat does appear to hold similar views based on his women are needier than men.) Still it's not hard to see them preferring that type of female villain to Jadis. Ultimately the conservative side of fandom must not be allowed to take over after RTD's cult are toppled. |
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Post by zarius on May 16, 2024 16:53:16 GMT
Anyone hear this podcast interview Richard Osman had on the 14th? He talks a lot about the rights the BBC's had to fork over to Bad Wolf in order to be a competitor
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 16:54:31 GMT
If the rights belong to Bad Wolf, that means RTD literally owns the show forever
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Post by Spark Doll King on May 16, 2024 17:18:20 GMT
If the rights belong to Bad Wolf, that means RTD literally owns the show forever Well thats DW f*cked for the foreseeable future then. The one hope for me was that while a company owned Doctor Who, no one person had actual control ala George Lucas. That ment that eventually the show could get into better hands one way or another. If this is true, then well Doctor Who now dose have such a figure, one who didn't have any part in the shows original creation, and that person is dead set on making it a platform for his ideology even if it tanks the show forever. I've come across some of RTD's more recent interviews and he comes across a deluded egomaniac, worse then ever befor. He'll never let the show be anything other then his little fantasy of it and there won't be a thing anyone can do. The show isn't for everyone anymore, it's for one deluded tyrant who thinks he's a fan. Well if that really is the case then I really will call it quits on everything Who related. With someone like this not even the classic era is safe, look at the Daleks' Colourisation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 17:23:08 GMT
Man you guys really need to listen to me when I say that fans should never be in charge lol.
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 16, 2024 17:27:15 GMT
If the rights belong to Bad Wolf, that means RTD literally owns the show forever Well thats DW f*cked for the foreseeable future then. The one hope for me is that while a company own Doctor Who, no one person had actual control ala George Lucas. That ment that eventually the show could get into better hands one way or another. If this is true, then well Doctor Who now dose have such a figure, one who didn't have any part in the shows original creation, and that person is dead set on making it a platform for his ideology even if it tanks the show for ever. I've come across some of RTD's more recent interviews and he comes across a deluded egomaniac, worse then ever befor. He'll never let the show be anything other then his little fantasy of it and there won't be a thing anyone can do. The show isn't for everyone anymore, it's for one deluded tyrant who thinks he a fan. Well if that really is the case then I really will call it quits on everything Who related. With someone like this not even the classic era is safe, look at Dalek's Colourisation. I’m inclined to agree. One of the only reasons I’ve laughed at Davies’ recent bollocks is under the evidently naive assumption that his disastrous tenure would eventually see him lose creative control over the series, either merely putting the series on ice (and ending this shite series in turn) or sowing the seeds for a superior update of the series in later years, made by someone entirely unrelated to Davies’ clique. If Doctor Who will forever be tied to such a cultural and creative monstrosity, stepping away from the new series completely is the only sane option. Even pirating and critiquing it is a futile task, given that the sheer lack of quality on display is a foregone conclusion. The original series deserves a positive reappraisal more than the new series deserves an excoriation, because Davies thrives on attention. If he won’t be buggering off anytime soon, one might as well starve him of it completely. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 16, 2024 18:46:27 GMT
Man you guys really need to listen to me when I say that fans should never be in charge lol. He's not and never was a fan. He was an egomaniac who saw an opening for his career to be more than perverse, pornographic late night C4 shows with something that was popular when he was young. I did warn about this a year ago that the deal ensured he had control over it. Our only hope is if Bad Wolf goes bankrupt. Still I think making Doctor Omega a thing is a better solution. He's a public domain DW after all. I'm working on a Doctor Omega series myself, but obviously I encourage others to do so in order to give it more visibility. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 18:48:34 GMT
He's the sort of superfan that knows the names of the women in the Chumblies episode.
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Post by burrunjor on May 16, 2024 18:54:08 GMT
He's the sort of superfan that knows the names of the women in the Chumblies episode. No he really isn't. He's someone who watched it in the 60s and the 70s, but has never returned to it, but then like I said saw that the franchise was being sat on by the BBC and using his connections and his edgy sexuality seized it for himself and his mates. This is a man who always said that the Doctor never uses guns or lethal force of any kind. FFS he even had Davros say "a man who never carries a gun" when the Doctor pointed a gun in Davros' face. He knows f*ck all, except what he reads on DW wiki and tv tropes. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 16, 2024 20:04:02 GMT
He's not a superfan, he's just a crap fan. I thought the fact that his Doctor Who doesn't at all feel like proper Doctor Who gave that away?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 20:08:45 GMT
He's a fan who indulged himself in a passion project rather than sticking to writing a good show.
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Post by iank on May 16, 2024 21:03:22 GMT
He's not a fan. I think that's just part of the giant con. He's a conman, always was.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 21:36:23 GMT
I really don't give a shit about these semantic games. You're just afraid of admitting that you can be a massive fan of something without getting it or understanding what makes it good. There's enough fanfiction on the internet for that to be readily apparent.
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