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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 16, 2024 16:08:03 GMT
I watched Space Babies, and thought it typical peurile RTD-fare, a load of stupid space babies with a bogey-monster on a spaceship powered by farts. There was no wit, no grace and no intelligence to any of the proceedings. Despite the juvenile script, one of the things which bugged me was the way The Doctor and Rose are always whooping their way up to orgasm-stupour levels, it's just plain f*cking embarrassing. I soldiered on and watched the pre-titles bit of The Devils Chord and then decided I just couldn't take anymore of this pure moronity any longer and turned it off. I always feel whenever watching a RTD episode that I come out a bit less intelligent and knowledgeable after the episode than I did going in. Pure brain-cabbage material. The main problem with this fast-food disposable stuff is we've already seen it a million times before and RTD is really coming across like a tired one-trick pony. The only thing I can say of merit is with those stupid idiot gurgling space babies and moronic schmaltzy drivel, Fathead has finally found his true vocation with Disney. Was it Doctor Who though? Hell, no. 2/10 Remember when I used to joke that the cult like fans would give an episode where the Doctor fought literal shit a 10/10 score? That's pretty much what this was. Okay it was another toxic substance that comes from the body, but I wasn't far off LMFAO. I used to joke that fans and critics would give an "Empire" (the Warhol film which is just a seven hour shot of the Empire State Building) episode of the show a free pass even if the shot of the building was replaced with a bag of shit. In fact, I can absolutely see critics gushing over it. "Russell has done it again! He's delivered an episode which perfectly reflects Doctor Who as a television program. The focus on the bag of shit is intended to reflect the fact that Doctor Who can be anything it wants to be. Haters will only see the shit in the bag and speculate endlessly whether it belongs to a human or dog, but the real fans will see this as incredibly brave and avant garde episode which will be remembered in years to come!" |
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Post by cyberhat on May 16, 2024 16:34:02 GMT
Always enjoy a bit of folk horror, maybe Wales will actually be presented in a positive light for once instead of as a grotty, grey shithole full of rough c*nts? Or Torchwood pretending it's Manhattan |
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Post by burrunjor on May 16, 2024 16:49:07 GMT
Remember when I used to joke that the cult like fans would give an episode where the Doctor fought literal shit a 10/10 score? That's pretty much what this was. Okay it was another toxic substance that comes from the body, but I wasn't far off LMFAO. I used to joke that fans and critics would give an "Empire" (the Warhol film which is just a seven hour shot of the Empire State Building) episode of the show a free pass even if the shot of the building was replaced with a bag of shit. In fact, I can absolutely see critics gushing over it. "Russell has done it again! He's delivered an episode which perfectly reflects Doctor Who as a television program. The focus on the bag of shit is intended to reflect the fact that Doctor Who can be anything it wants to be. Haters will only see the shit in the bag and speculate endlessly whether it belongs to a human or dog, but the real fans will see this as incredibly brave and avant garde episode which will be remembered in years to come!" Perfect, worthy of Dick Briggs in terms of representing what these people would say. |
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Post by zarius on May 16, 2024 17:06:38 GMT
Fans have a theory that Ruby is the child of The Trickster from Sarah Jane Adventures and can warp reality around her
Someone paid attention to the music from Devil's Chord, (the "hidden song") and recognised it as being similar to cutes used in The Trickster's SJA appearances.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 17:10:23 GMT
Fans have a theory that Ruby is the child of The Trickster from Sarah Jane Adventures and can warp reality around her Someone paid attention to the music from Devil's Chord, (the "hidden song") and recognised it as being similar to cutes used in The Trickster's SJA appearances. It's similar in a "creepy choral song in a minor key using the 6th and the sharpened 4th"; they're different melodies. Also, as I've just made clear in the "which stories have you watching" thread, I don't think the Trickster is a powerful enough baddie that the Toymaker and the Maestro would be afraid of him. He's a bag of cheap tricks who is consistently beaten by a ragtag group of kids and a middle-aged woman with a sonic lipstick. His schemes only ever focus on people's personal lives, they're never universe-threatening or anything like that. He's the definition of all bark and no bite. All you have to do to defeat him is rescind his offers and that's it. I guess he doesn't have a no-backsies clause. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 16, 2024 17:59:05 GMT
5.6 for Space Babies Timelash levels of trash  |
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Post by rushy on May 16, 2024 18:00:14 GMT
Please don't compare Space Babies to somrthing that has Paul Darrow's Richard III impression in it.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 16, 2024 20:06:35 GMT
Please don't compare Space Babies to somrthing that has Paul Darrow's Richard III impression in it. I'm not, I'm just pointing out that RTD, our lord and saviour who made Doctor Who good again and saved the show from being the butt of jokes, is now competing with the likes of Timelash. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 16, 2024 20:07:20 GMT
But yes, Timelash is much better. It's crap Doctor Who, at least. I'm not sure what the f*ck Space Babies is.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 22:06:53 GMT
I would enjoy psychosexual elements in DW as long as it wasn't "ooh I fancy that bloke but I'm a bloke and I'm insecure because I'm gay but I'm also a non-binary woman" type bullshit
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 11:50:43 GMT
Ncuti's just not a very good actor. He doesn't have the range and often stumbles over his words ("genocide rode across time and space like a great big cellular explosion" in The Devil's Chord is a good example). Which is fine if you're playing an awkward teenager in a sex comedy, but it's not enough for the Doctor. Zeal and excitement is easy to pull off, but he doesn't strike me as an eccentric or really someone who's that clever at all. I don't even really buy his "devastated" moments, he just comes across as a crybaby. Seriously, he's cried in literally every episode so far. The Doctor used to let a tear fall only very occasionally, and it made it that more effective because we weren't used to seeing him like that. Here it's just excessive. It's a bit concerning when the best thing by far about these episodes is a one-off villain whose personality basically just boils down to being an outrageous and erm...immoderate drag queen, which is something I'm inclined to enjoy anyway purely on the basis of the theatricality.
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Post by burrunjor on May 17, 2024 11:58:59 GMT
But yes, Timelash is much better. It's crap Doctor Who, at least. I'm not sure what the f*ck Space Babies is. Timelash at least has some excellent production values like the Borad's make up, the effect when he ages, the burning android, has a decent idea at its core (that ironically would inspire several new who stories and to be fair New Who did do better like the Shakespeare Code and Vincent and the Doctor.) It also yes has Paul Darrow gloriously hamming it up. Space Babies meanwhile is every bit as stupid, in fact more so. Some of the ideas in Timelash aren't bad per say like the Timelash itself, they are just appallingly realised. There are no good ideas in Space Babies AND they are appallingly realised like the uncanny valley effect for the Babies mouths and the dreadful make up for Millie as the wasp woman or whatever. Also Timelash has an actual Doctor as the lead and not RTD's self insert. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 12:08:26 GMT
I just hate how all the mystique has been sucked out of the universe by the Timeless Child crap and now the Pantheon. Did you guys know that Tecteun is canonically The Other? It's in the script for the Timeless Children. She stands with her back to the camera flanked by two other high-collared Time Lords, implied to be Rassilon and Omega, and it is stated outright in the script that it's meant to be the trinity.
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Post by burrunjor on May 17, 2024 12:24:45 GMT
I just hate how all the mystique has been sucked out of the universe by the Timeless Child crap and now the Pantheon. Did you guys know that Tecteun is canonically The Other? It's in the script for the Timeless Children. She stands with her back to the camera flanked by two other high-collared Time Lords, implied to be Rassilon and Omega, and it is stated outright in the script that it's meant to be the trinity. UGH, and to think these wankers said they wanted to remove the baggage from Classic Who. I agree with what you said that the idea of something supernatural being brought into DW isn't a bad idea in itself. The entire McCoy era as I have pointed out before is arguably a Sci fantasy series. There is a surrealist element at the heart of DW that there isn't in shows like Star Trek, which can allow it to dabble somewhat in the fantastic and paranormal, or at least blur the lines between them more than Star Trek. However if you are going to do that then it has to be more mysterious. For instance the vampires in State of Decay, we don't know where they come from. Are they the real deal, or funky aliens, or creatures from another universe? Is Fenric some unknown life form or a creature made from the darkness of the universe? Is Light from another reality or some kind of angelic being or both? Battlefield meanwhile completely blurs the lines between magic and science. Morgaine is explained as coming from another universe with different physical laws which is how she can conjure up this powerful energy. The Destroyer, an ancient Demon also comes from another universe with different physical laws. Now with this in mind, you could dismiss them both as just being aliens, but at the same time what is magic but an energy which operates beyond our normal laws and limitations, which Morgaine's power because it comes from a different reality does. That's not the same as Clarke's Law which states that any form of advanced science is indistinguishable from magic. In Clarke's law the "magic" does still operate within the natural laws, it's just that we don't know how to use them. However with Morgaine it is completely outside our reality, so is that magic? Similarly is the Destroyer a demon? His version of hell isn't one where damned souls go, but there are plenty of versions of hell in mythologies that aren't that. Ironically the Destroyer has as much claim to being a Demon as those from Buffy, or even my work do, who are all similarly just creatures from another universe. At the same time the Demons in Buffy could be looked on as funky aliens who come from other realities with different laws and use that power to warp the laws of our reality to the point where it seems like magic. As McCoy says to Ace, sometimes Clarks law can be turned on its head. Again the surrealist nature of DW means that you can hint these things are the real deal and blur the lines, unlike Star Trek, but as it is still firmly sci fi, you have to leave it open ended. I also think DW's premise where he can travel anywhere in the universe gives you some leeway in that respect. The Doctors whole thing is that he wants to learn about the wonders of the universe and go places others have never been, even more so than Star Trek LOL as he has less limitations, so you absolutely can have him land in some creepy, unknown corner of the universe like in The Mind Robber where there's something alien even to him, or its a creature from another universe that's bled into ours and we will never see the true nature of its reality. RTD however has already ruined the mystique by explaining exactly how all of these supernatural creatures work within the DW universe. As soon as you do that, the supernatural becomes an everyday part of the shows make up, like in Buffy or Xena where they have names and textbooks for all these supernatural creatures. Again that's fine, in fact it's necessary for those shows as the supernatural is the focus, but in DW after so long as a sci fi show, then it not only seems jarring, but sucks all the mystique and frightening aspects of the supernatural straight out of the show. Now we know that the only reason the paranormal exist is because he spilled salt at the end of the universe (how f*cking stupid an explanation is that anyway?) |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 17, 2024 23:53:17 GMT
Crap, I gave in. I always do. While Space Babies was shit, this episode is downright frothing at the mouth about faith and religion. The Doctor apparently doesn't like faith despite clearly having faith in his old companions in The Curse of Fenric which allowed him to escape. The acting is abysmal across the board with Ncuti crying for what feels like the entire episode. There's something inherently bitter about this. There's no life to any of the performances and the dialogue is trite and preachy. Critics have been raving about this over the last week and I'm sure some fans will give it the free pass because it has Steven Moffat's name on it, but I'm just sick to death of Moffatisms.
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