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Post by burrunjor on May 3, 2024 9:23:26 GMT
 Just like saying Missy channelled Delgado, Missy was the most faithful version of the Master, Moffat understood the character of the Master better than any other writer. Lie and bullshit enough times until it becomes accepted as fact by the sheep fandom. I reckon TV Tropes will have it as hard fact that Ncuti represents the perfect update of Jon Pertwee's Doctor for the 21st century. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2024 10:19:10 GMT
Oh yeah because Pertwee was twirling and prancing around his Toarrdis like a goon, "twerking" at monsters and saying "babes" and "hun" like a council-estate mother. He wore fancy clothes, but was a complete straight man otherwise. Was Jon Pertwee really that flamboyant, like really? If so, it was a different meaning of the word that is in use now.
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Post by Ludders II on May 3, 2024 13:20:58 GMT
I tend not to bother with these silly little YouTubers. They get far too much attention as it is. I don't really know who any of them are, and don't want to know.
But that is an exceptionally stupid comment.
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Post by burrunjor on May 3, 2024 16:08:58 GMT
I tend not to bother with these silly little YouTubers. They get far too much attention as it is. I don't really know who any of them are, and don't want to know. But that is an exceptionally stupid comment. To be fair Jon Pertwee now that I think of it did dress up in drag in The Green Death LOL. That scene would undoubtedly be called transphobic though as it was a jokey scene. You can just imagine RTD' sanctimonious apology over that scene. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 3, 2024 16:22:03 GMT
I tend not to bother with these silly little YouTubers. They get far too much attention as it is. I don't really know who any of them are, and don't want to know. But that is an exceptionally stupid comment. Yeah, they're just regular fans who can operate a camera. Apparently that makes their opinion more important for some reason. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on May 3, 2024 16:53:52 GMT
I tend not to bother with these silly little YouTubers. They get far too much attention as it is. I don't really know who any of them are, and don't want to know. But that is an exceptionally stupid comment. To be fair Jon Pertwee now that I think of it did dress up in drag in The Green Death LOL. That scene would undoubtedly be called transphobic though as it was a jokey scene. You can just imagine RTD' sanctimonious apology over that scene. I’m now picturing Davies slagging that scene off on Unleashed- “there are problematic qualities in this scene- it’s not Pertwee’s fault, but the world changes.” The fact that I see such a scenario as genuinely possible is a towering indictment of the sorry state of this series. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 3, 2024 16:56:28 GMT
To be fair Jon Pertwee now that I think of it did dress up in drag in The Green Death LOL. That scene would undoubtedly be called transphobic though as it was a jokey scene. You can just imagine RTD' sanctimonious apology over that scene. I’m now picturing Davies slagging that scene off on Unleashed- “there are problematic qualities in this scene- it’s not Pertwee’s fault, but the world changes.” The fact that I see such a scenario as genuinely possible is a towering indictment of the sorry state of this series. I was hoping you'd do his obnoxious spiel about "we had a conversation about this" LOL. I really am coming round to the theory of this is like the Producers and RTD has a deal where he'll make more if it flops. |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on May 3, 2024 22:55:15 GMT
Incredible. Ever since Cornell's pretentious bullshit in the 90s, the party line among the Fitzroyers and their drooling devotees has been something to the effect of "Pertwee was an establishment, conservative, militaristic, patriarchal aberration". Yet after 30+ years of sneering at him, a couple of superficial comments from Gatwa about his costumes is all it took to make them do a total 180° to "We've ALWAYS loved him! He's a Queer Icon!" No acknowledgement of the previously expressed position. No acknowledgement that there were Jodie fans literally demanding that he be erased from canon just four years ago over a silly advert from the 80s.
It really is like the NPC update meme. The shallow superficiality of fandom in-crowd consensus is astonishing. How did a science fiction show end up with such utterly brain dead fans?
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Post by iank on May 4, 2024 0:14:35 GMT
New Who happened. It went from a show aimed at nerds and smart kids to one aimed at the lowest common denominator and gained the fanbase you'd expect. Thanks RTD.
The rest are just shills and hanger-ons desperately trying to stay relevant, ironically much like the twat himself.
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Post by Ludders II on May 4, 2024 0:46:16 GMT
New Who happened. It went from a show aimed at nerds and smart kids to one aimed at the lowest common denominator and gained the fanbase you'd expect. Thanks RTD. The rest are just shills and hanger-ons desperately trying to stay relevant, ironically much like the twat himself. It's an interesting one. I feel like the general public was in many ways more open-minded towards SF in general back in the '60s and '70s. I don't feel that DW started out as a 'nerd' show just because it was SF. There were so many programs back in the day that were broadcast at peak viewing times on BBC1 or ITV, albeit mostly mid-week. Quatermass captured the imagination of viewers in a big way in the mid fifties, and in its first UK broadcast, Star Trek occupied Dr Who's Saturday tea time slot in between S6 and S7, before it was moved to Monday nights at 7pm. Since then there are so many shows from UF0 and Space 1999, to Blake's 7 and Sapphire and Steel, and too many more to mention them all. Was it all just for nerds and smart kids? Maybe it drifted that way, especially when stuff like StarTrek TNG started being shown on BBC2. That would've been a BBC1 program at one time. And it seems that by the mid 80s DW was being perceived as a 'nerd' show? How did that happen? It didn't start off that way. Maybe if they'd moved it to BBC2 they wouldn't have needed to cancel it. I dunno..... I'm not disputing where you're coming from, I just wonder how we got from a time when SF was perfectly acceptable on the main channels, to a tv landscape dominated by reality tv and soaps, that is so ingrained in people's thinking that DW had to be dumbed-down to fit that model? I'm just thinking aloud here. Why has the tv viewing general public become so stupid and narrow-minded over the years? There's probably a thesis in this somewhere. lol |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 1:28:41 GMT
Was the "nerd" stereotype ever even a real thing, or just a product of movies and television? Like, what's the correlation between being smart and enjoying Star Wars, which is by all accounts an extremely stupid film? Everyone in my school watched Star Wars and Doctor Who, there weren't any "nerds" or "geeks" or "jocks" or whatever. My brother was by far the best-looking guy in his school year and he and his "cool" friends are still fans of Doctor Who.
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Post by Ludders II on May 4, 2024 1:54:03 GMT
Was the "nerd" stereotype ever even a real thing, or just a product of movies and television? Like, what's the correlation between being smart and enjoying Star Wars, which is by all accounts an extremely stupid film? Everyone in my school watched Star Wars and Doctor Who, there weren't any "nerds" or "geeks" or "jocks" or whatever. My brother was by far the best-looking guy in his school year and he and his "cool" friends are still fans of Doctor Who. Good question. These are the sort of things I'm trying to understand. I seriously never even heard the word 'nerd' until that 'Revenge of the Nerds' film came out sometime in the early 80s. When I was a kid, even saying 'Hi' instead of 'Hello'was an American thing, just like 'nerd' was just not used. Like I say, mainstream/prime time TV had its fair share of SF-fantasy in the '60s/'70s. I don't rememember anyone thinking it was unusual or marginalising it as either 'nerdy' or 'cool'. Even the word 'cool' wasn't an automatic part of British vanacular back then. Apart from Scooby Doo or Happy Days. lol |
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Post by iank on May 4, 2024 1:54:41 GMT
New Who happened. It went from a show aimed at nerds and smart kids to one aimed at the lowest common denominator and gained the fanbase you'd expect. Thanks RTD. The rest are just shills and hanger-ons desperately trying to stay relevant, ironically much like the twat himself. It's an interesting one. I feel like the general public was in many ways more open-minded towards SF in general back in the '60s and '70s. I don't feel that DW started out as a 'nerd' show just because it was SF. There were so many programs back in the day that were broadcast at peak viewing times on BBC1 or ITV, albeit mostly mid-week. Quatermass captured the imagination of viewers in a big way in the mid fifties, and in its first UK broadcast, Star Trek occupied Dr Who's Saturday tea time slot in between S6 and S7, before it was moved to Monday nights at 7pm. Since then there are so many shows from UF0 and Space 1999, to Blake's 7 and Sapphire and Steel, and too many more to mention them all. Was it all just for nerds and smart kids? Maybe it drifted that way, especially when stuff like StarTrek TNG started being shown on BBC2. That would've been a BBC1 program at one time. And it seems that by the mid 80s DW was being perceived as a 'nerd' show? How did that happen? It didn't start off that way. Maybe if they'd moved it to BBC2 they wouldn't have needed to cancel it. I dunno..... I'm not disputing where you're coming from, I just wonder how we got from a time when SF was perfectly acceptable on the main channels, to a tv landscape dominated by reality tv and soaps, that is so ingrained in people's thinking that DW had to be dumbed-down to fit that model? I'm just thinking aloud here. Why has the tv viewing general public because so stupid and narrow-minded over the years? There's probably a thesis in this somewhere. lol I think it did start in the 80s, via the likes of Grade and his ilk who just didn't like sci-fi in general. Their own personal bias became the set attitude of the industry, which then drifted down to the masses by osmosis. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 2:05:00 GMT
More like JNT ranting about tachyons and entropy rather than writing a good story.
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Post by iank on May 4, 2024 4:39:06 GMT
Pretty sure that was Boring Bidmead, but okay.
Seriously, the attitude applied across the board in the UK from the 80s on. It was never a thing in the US oddly enough, where the likes of X Files and Lost were big mainstream hits in the 90s and 2000s and the biggest original streaming shows have been stuff like Stranger Things and Wednesday.
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