Davison 'confused' about bi-generation

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www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-peter-davison-bigeneration-reaction-newsupdate/

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If they didn't have all sorts of DW obligations that payed their bills, I wonder how many of the old Doctors would have spoken openly about how shit the newest iteration is?

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Not too many. Tom, McCoy, McGann and Smith don't care. Eccleston already hates everything RTD. Colin, Tennant and Whittaker will go along with anything. Capaldi is too polite to ever come out and say it.

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Apr 12, 2024 12:32:45 GMT rushy said:

Not too many. Tom, McCoy, McGann and Smith don't care. Eccleston already hates everything RTD. Colin, Tennant and Whittaker will go along with anything. Capaldi is too polite to ever come out and say it.

Tom doesn't care about anything past his own era so that doesn't count. McCoy, McGann and Smith absolutely do have to remain tight lipped in order to savour their careers. 

So much of McGann's work is via Big Finish, whilst for McCoy it's a nice regular gig at his age too. Smith meanwhile whilst he doesn't care about doing more DW work necessarily, if he makes it clear he thinks the woke shit is, well shit, then his career could be torpedoed ala Gina Carano.

Same applies for Colin and Capaldi who clearly hated his era. (Who could blame him?) Meanwhile Tennant and Whittaker I agree are ideological nitwits as far as this is concerned, but still yeah I think the point still stands if most of them gave their honest opinion it would NOT be pleasant.  

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Like Tom, McCoy is kind of an eccentric who lives in his own world. I don't think he really knows or cares what the show is doing. McGann's commented on liking Hartnell when he was a kid, but judging from that TV movie commentary, he's barely aware of Doctor Who. He didn't remember anything, which you'd think he would if he was still invested on any level. So I'm inclined to think he just does audios for money, and always has.

Smith very obviously hasn't watched anything other than what Moffat made him sit through in 2010. Maybe he'd hate it if someone explained current DW.

Capaldi has absolutely nothing to gain from concealing the truth. He's starring in big Hollywood films, he's a veteran and he's publicly said he has no interest in returning to Dr Who. He could easily roast the modern era and get away with it. I'm convinced Capaldi is just a gentleman who follows the 'if you having nothing good to say, say nothing' rule.

Colin is the one who might be hiding his feelings. But he might easily just fall into the Tennant/Whittaker camp. Just because he's older doesn't mean he necessarily has different opinions to them.

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Colin just really seems to love championing the show, and he's arguably its most enthusiastic ambassador out of the classic Doctors we have left. Of course he's gonna talk it up like it's all that.

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Of the deceased Doctors, I feel like Pertwee would go along with NuWho, Troughton would not care and Hartnell would roast the absolute f*ck out of it.

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"Speaking as an actor, it might be because Russell T Davies had said that he wanted to create a kind of 'Whoniverse'.

"And the thing I don't really quite understand – I’m a huge fan of Doctor Who, but I'm not as mad a fan as, say, David Tennant – and the bi-generation basically apparently means that my Doctor still exists."

"So I can be brought back at any point, even as my older self, to do a Doctor Who story. I think that was the intention."

There was a time - even a year ago - when I might have been cautiously optimistic about something like this. A classic series reunion spinoff helmed by a talented writer wouldn't have saved Doctor Who in the long run, but it could at least have given us a Picard Season 3 or Andor type situation, i.e. a respectable standalone production that the original fanbase can enjoy without having to buy into the rest of the modern crap.

Sadly, I completely underestimated the depths of Russell's narcissism. It's now obvious that he intends to smear his sick, twisted interpretation of the show into every last corner of the franchise for as long as he can get away with it, until "Doctor Who" and "Russell T. Davies" are completely synonymous in the eyes of the general public.

When it comes to the Sea Devils spinoff or any other product of this so-called "Whoniverse", either every episode will be written by him, or he'll indulge in such intensive script editing that it might as well have been. The notion of him having the humility and self-restraint to stick to the flagship show and leaving, for example, Ben Aaronovitch to handle a McCoy/Aldred spinoff is unthinkable at this point.

Make no mistake, the worst years to be a Doctor Who fan are yet to come. The only question is what will remain once the smoke has cleared.

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Apr 12, 2024 16:02:10 GMT rushy said:

Of the deceased Doctors, I feel like Pertwee would go along with NuWho, Troughton would not care and Hartnell would roast the absolute f*ck out of it.

I feel like all three of them wouldn't really give a shit. There was that famous interview with Hartnell in I think 1967 where he essentially says he doesn't care what happens to the show and that he's moved on and so should everyone else. Troughton and Pertwee made the rounds on the convention circuits, but I can't see them watching episodes of the show. They were classically trained, vaudevillian character actors after all, I doubt they'd think much of it as dramatic television. 

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Apr 12, 2024 16:02:10 GMT rushy said:

Of the deceased Doctors, I feel like Pertwee would go along with NuWho, Troughton would not care and Hartnell would roast the absolute f*ck out of it.

Are you kidding me? Pertwee would eviscerate the series. He'd be 100 percent against a female Doctor, he'd also despise Missy with every atom of his body. Imagine what he'd think of how that treated his dead friend? 

I also can't see him getting along too well with RTD either. There's be a huge clash of egos there. I think JNT would probably hate New Who the most out of anyone involved in the original. 

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The Master isn't synonymous with Delgado the person. It's like saying a shitty take on Kirk harms William Shatner somehow. I don't see why Pertwee would care, esp when no one else from that era really did. They were all chill. The worst thing anyone said was Nick Courtney mildly criticising NuWho's shortened runtime.

Hartnell may claim to keep quiet, but he wouldn't be able to resist commenting. According to the info text on the Ambassadors DVD, he hated the UNIT era.

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Apr 12, 2024 16:54:52 GMT rushy said:

The Master isn't synonymous with Delgado the person. It's like saying a shitty take on Kirk harms William Shatner somehow. I don't see why Pertwee would care, esp when no one else from that era really did. They were all chill. The worst thing anyone said was Nick Courtney mildly criticising NuWho's shortened runtime.

Hartnell may claim to keep quiet, but he wouldn't be able to resist commenting. According to the info text on the Ambassadors DVD, he hated the UNIT era.

According to his wife Hartnell hadn't watched much of Pertwee actually, but liked his Doctor, though there is a quote from him about it getting too violent which he thought was a shame.

 When the time came for Bill to leave the show, purely because of his ill health, it broke his heart. Having told the press that it was going to run for five years, he was determined to play it for five years. But he coldn’t remember his lines, plus his legs were beginning to give way at times. Between the end of 1966 and when he made ‘The Three Doctors’ in 1972, he got progressively weaker mentally and physically. That’s the awful thing about arteriosclerosis, as the arteries close up the flow of blood is not only weakened to the limbs but to the brain as well. When he did ‘The Three Doctors’, he couldn’t remember a single line, but he was still able to read it. The BBC were ever so good over that.

“With Patrick Troughton taking over the show, we were delighted, because Bill had suggested him for the part and he was number one choice of the namese that came up. We’d known Pat for years, he’s a darling person. But after a time, Bill stopped watching it, because it upset him emotionally. Even so, he was very pleased with Jon Pertwee’s interpretation. He hardly saw any of Jon Pertwee’s stories, but was tickled pink to think that the show had gone on and when he did ‘The Three Doctors’ he glowed again as if it had taken ten years off his illness.

Meanwhile I think he would have hated Missy because the Master was Delgado's character and Missy as I have been over extensively threw everything about that character in the bin, and worse led to people trying to rewrite their history. Can you imagine if someone like Crystal Dee for instance after reading it a a fact on tv tropes and biographies of Delgado had asked Pertwee about the gay subtext between him and Delgado LMFAO. 

Meanwhile as far as other people from that era, well Nick Courtney and Barry Lett's were dead by the time Missy showed up, Terrance Dicks absolutely despised her with every inch of his body, and Katy Manning bless her is honestly another one that I feel won't trash the revival because she is in too deep with Nick Briggs, Big Finish and so on. 

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I don't want to sound mean, but you can break down why Missy is a bad interpretation of the Master and it still won't make people hate her.

Not because they don't care or they're loyal to Big Finish, but because their understanding of the character and what makes a successful reinterpretation is just different.

Sometimes it's just a matter of preference. They'll see Michelle Gomez and see a charismatic actress who sells the Master as a former friend of the Doctor with a love-hate dynamic, and they're sold because that's what they originally got out of Delgado's portrayal. Regardless of whether it was 'objectively' there or not.

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Conversely, some people don't need the reinterpretation to align with the original at all. Like how Dumbledore got recast in Harry Potter and behaved very differently. We just went with it.

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Apr 12, 2024 17:26:55 GMT rushy said:

I don't want to sound mean, but you can break down why Missy is a bad interpretation of the Master and it still won't make people hate her.

Not because they don't care or they're loyal to Big Finish, but because their understanding of the character and what makes a successful reinterpretation is just different.

Sometimes it's just a matter of preference. They'll see Michelle Gomez and see a charismatic actress who sells the Master as a former friend of the Doctor with a love-hate dynamic, and they're sold because that's what they originally got out of Delgado's portrayal. Regardless of whether it was 'objectively' there or not.

Sorry but that's bullshit and you know it. 

By that logic I could do a version of King Kong that was a pink unicorn who farted rainbows that he used to fly through the air, but because there was some tiny, vague connection with the original like he lived on a tropical island, that was enough for me to see him as legit and say that this was the most faithful version of Kong since the original, and then still absolutely trash Peter Jackson's Kong for not including a minor detail from the original like "Oh it had a giant bat instead of a Pteranodon so that is not King Kong at all."

There are objective truths when reinterpreting characters that need to be acknowledged. Saying there aren't is honestly like modern art when someone says that anything can be art including a used condom. Whilst what makes good art can be subjective, like for instance you might not like Jazz music or horror movies, there are absolutely objective methods to it too. Missy objectively is a terrible version of the Master. She maybe, just maybe could have worked in a remake, but in terms of being the same character? NO. Objectively that is wrong.