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Post by burrunjor on Apr 12, 2024 17:49:16 GMT
Of the deceased Doctors, I feel like Pertwee would go along with NuWho, Troughton would not care and Hartnell would roast the absolute f*ck out of it. I feel like all three of them wouldn't really give a shit. There was that famous interview with Hartnell in I think 1967 where he essentially says he doesn't care what happens to the show and that he's moved on and so should everyone else. Troughton and Pertwee made the rounds on the convention circuits, but I can't see them watching episodes of the show. They were classically trained, vaudevillian character actors after all, I doubt they'd think much of it as dramatic television. Can you post a link? I've never seen that? Or are you talking about the one that was found in 2013? In that one I think he was still hurting at having been forced to leave and being forced to do panto that he hated. Sadly in his wife's biography she mentions him being extremely unhappy for a year after he left the show. In fact at one point he got lost in the town on a bender he went off the rails so much after losing his favourite role. Sad really, but at least he seemed proud of how far it had run in the tenth anniversary interview in 1973. (He and Pertwee have a discussion on what he thinks alien life could be and I believe Hartnell says that just because we haven't found anything like humans on the moon doesn't mean there couldn't be some weird alien that looks like dust to us up there LOL.) |
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Post by rushy on Apr 12, 2024 18:03:26 GMT
There are objective truths when reinterpreting characters that need to be acknowledged. Saying there aren't is honestly like modern art when someone says that anything can be art including a used condom. You don't have to tell me lol, I'm still mesmerised that Jackson Pollock paintings are a thing. But the fact is that they are, and that condom is an art piece in some weird twisted way. And Michelle Gomez is one of the most celebrated Masters since Delgado. We may not understand it or agree with it or support it, but that kind of success doesn't just come out of nowhere. On some weird level, Gomez clicked with a lot of people. Including possibly those who worked on or loved the classic series. That doesn't diminish those people. It's just... different. |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 12, 2024 18:12:12 GMT
There are objective truths when reinterpreting characters that need to be acknowledged. Saying there aren't is honestly like modern art when someone says that anything can be art including a used condom. You don't have to tell me lol, I'm still mesmerised that Jackson Pollock paintings are a thing. But the fact is that they are, and that condom is an art piece in some weird twisted way. And Michelle Gomez is one of the most celebrated Masters since Delgado. We may not understand it or agree with it or support it, but that kind of success doesn't just come out of nowhere. On some weird level, Gomez clicked with a lot of people. Including possibly those who worked on or loved the classic series. That doesn't diminish those people. It's just... different. I didn't mean to get this into another Missy debate, she is just my go to for a shitty thing from new who so after this and your response let's get back to the point, Davison saying it like it is about new who . One thing I do have to say though is Missy is also the most reviled Master since Delgado it must be said among gigantic sections of the audience and fandom and was a total flop among mainstream viewers. It's just that a minority of political fanatics and fitzroy bootlickers bullied anyone who was a critic of her into silence. (Hence why I was banned from several websites for simply saying I didn't like her, like TV Tropes.) Ultimately though no she certainly is not one of the most celebrated Masters and if she were a guy she would not have got that same kind of support. Though for any passers by I'm not saying that women get it easier all the time. Obviously DW doesn't represent society and hey there are plenty of female entertainers that do get shat on in ways men don't. (Again my go to, but how else do you explain Amy Winehouse being seen as a an ugly crack whore, whilst Jim Morrison was seen as a super stud, when both had the exact same lifestyle.) Still in this case as this was only done in the first place to push for a female Doctor then yes, her gender did protect her. Missy could have pulled Capaldi's trousers down and sucked him off on screen and the female Doctor supporters would have still said she channelled Delgado and a lot of the middle aged classic fans, who are also aging former trendy, faux lefty students from the 1980s who are terrified of being seen as right wing boomers when they get older like those on Anoraks would have agreed with them to avoid being labelled as sexist like I was. That's the bulk of Missy "fandom." Sure some people might like Gomez, but ultimately that's what gives her the illusion of being popular which shallow geek sites will push as hard fact, which again does make me bitter when I see them absolutely savage average, or mid movies like Morbius, Venom, etc as the worst movies ever made. |
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Post by zarius on Apr 13, 2024 7:20:08 GMT
Davison always being the critical thinker/nit-picker is very on-brand for the character he plays.
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Post by iank on Apr 13, 2024 7:34:44 GMT
It was bollocks dreamt up by an insane out of control hack loony. That's why it doesn't make sense, Pete.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Apr 13, 2024 11:34:11 GMT
"Fans In Shock As TV's Davison Is 'Bi/Confused'..!"
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 13, 2024 12:23:54 GMT
It was bollocks dreamt up by an insane out of control hack loony. That's why it doesn't make sense, Pete. It's hilarious because you know how I've always said that the DW brand needs a multiverse to sort out it's mess of a continuity, by splitting different productions into different universes, IE Classic Who is one universe, New Who is another universe, Shalka another, Death Comes To Time another, The books another, Big Finish another, Cushing another. All different realities with similar but different histories. That way they all stand officially as what they were meant to be, different productions/versions and it allows any future production to either be its own thing, or a loose sequel to any of the others. It also eliminates any writer from trying to go back and smear their own crap over past stories as now the response will always be "doesn't matter what you do in your production, classic who is a different universe." And it also therefore forces the writers to move on with new productions, and only refer to the past if they have to for story purposes. Best of all worlds (pun intended.) Granted you don't need a multiverse for this, but like I've said before in something like DW someone will ALWAYS try and make all the different versions fit, so really the multiverse is the least shit option as opposed to having it that time is always being rewritten and therefore nothing matters. Plus it's within the bounds of possibility for the show anyway, and it doesn't have to intrude. It can literally be left up to spin off material, or appear in one story as an event and that's that. However RTD manages to f*ck up the multiverse formula, by doing the ONE thing you should never do with it, which is to use it split up a single story too much, so that now every doctor is a different universe. In his current state as a writer RTD will always manage to f*ck things up in a similar way for any good plot device for two reasons. 1/ He has such a lack of respect for the genre and its fans, that he thinks it's all such stupid nonsense why take any of it seriously anyway? 2/ His ego is so f*cking great that rather than simply use plot devices like the multiverse when necessary like any normal writer. (IE in Inferno, they simply used it to make the story darker by showing the full extent of what Stahlman's project would do to the earth.) He has to try and f*ck around with it just for the sake of it and adds completely unnecessary shit on top, like now the Doctor creates universes and all the suffering in them when he regenerates. Now we don't know what happened to the Sarah we followed in s11, or the Brig any era, Billie Piper has now played three versions of Rose Tyler. The one from series 1 who is still in Eccelston's universe, the new Rose from series 2-4, and the one in Journey's End after Handy's fake regeneration LOL. Similarly the Clara from s8 isn't the one who went through all those adventures with Matt. She literally popped into existence with Capaldi. I suppose silver linening Missy isn't Delgado with this in mind LOL, but the whole thing is a f*cking mess. Same with regeneration, a simple, straight forward plot device that changes the character, but allows him to be an actual character. Again previous writers used it when they had too, RTD has to add in all this multiverse shit and have him split into two beings so we don't know which is actually the Doctor etc. Even Davros a reliably great character, has to be f*cked around with by RTD for similar reasons. The term fool proof doesn't apply when RTD is given the reigns. |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 13, 2024 17:18:31 GMT
 I think this is a first? A showrunner so conceited he appears on the advert for the show alongside its leading man? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 17:59:10 GMT
They might as well call it Gay Lords
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 13, 2024 18:07:26 GMT
I think this is a first? A showrunner so conceited he appears on the advert for the show alongside its leading man? Isn't that a stock image of the TARDIS from Series 1/2? Why not use a more up to date image? I honestly thought this was fan made when I first saw it. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Apr 13, 2024 19:14:06 GMT
I think this is a first? A showrunner so conceited he appears on the advert for the show alongside its leading man? I really like that the new companion is black. But that unlikeable, egotistical new Doctor with the stupid clothes has got to go... |
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Post by rushy on Apr 13, 2024 19:15:26 GMT
"The blustering one in the stupid coat. How he struts and gloats...!"
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