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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 17, 2024 20:17:52 GMT
Except for Beyond a Joke I don't consider any Red Dwarf episode terrible. They all get something out of me. What's wrong with Beyond a Joke? It's a bit shit. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 17, 2024 20:18:52 GMT
Granted, only a 5/10 shit rather than a 1/10.
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Post by rushy on Oct 17, 2024 20:38:33 GMT
I don't think Marooned is top 10 material like some say, but it's a classic episode. It's also one of the few storylines that the show did much better than the books, where Rimmer gets turned off halfway through and Lister has to deal with the ship melting from acid rain instead. Fandom is far too hung up on Rimmer and Lister. It's a good pairing yes, but not at the expense of the rest of the show. I completely disagree. "Wrong, actually! Completely, totally, utterly wrong!" The Cat and Kryten could leave and the show wouldn't suffer too badly. Cat is a walking punchline in 99% episodes and Kryten is there as a friendly figure. They're icons in their own right, but they're nowhere near as important to its success. Rimmer and Lister are absolutely vital. I mean, I like series 7, but still. What I cared about to begin with was their relationship and the effect they had on each other. The yin and the yang. Norman Lovett is a close third, because Holly is like the Greek chorus of the show and Lovett's deadpan style is sort of emblematic of the entire series. And I adore Thanks for the Memory for so many reasons. I love the opening where they hold that tinny little disco. It's such a sad, but beautiful scene. I love that Rimmer opens his heart out when he gets drunk and I love how much Lister cares about it and tries to fix it in his own stupid way. The mystery is great fun, and in general the episode encapsulates the tragicomic vibe of Red Dwarf so beautifully. They're all f*ckups, they mean nothing and they just have to stew in it and find reasons to live for the rest of time. Still, you've got to laugh innit. It's melancholy and rich in characterisation. Marooned isn't on that level, but it's still an enjoyable episode just for seeing Barrie and Charles do their thing for 25 minutes. All the adventure stuff is great, but it's not what I personally think about when I consider the genius of Red Dwarf. Other shows do space adventures and monsters. Only Red Dwarf does 'two soup machine repairmen suffering cabin fever at the end of time'. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 17, 2024 20:56:25 GMT
I don't want to rag on Hattie Hayridge at all, I absolutely adore her, but it's quite telling how they got rid of Hattie with the excuse that Holly was obsolete to the show, and then kept bringing Norman back again and again whenever he was available.
The female Holly doesn't even appear in the books, it's just Norman's take on the character, even in stories like White Hole. It's obvious that he's considered more important to the series.
So the question is, why? And the answer is that Norman's Holly is cynical and nihilistic, whereas Hattie's is peppy and optimistic.
The favouritism is grossly unfair to Hattie, I think (they could feature both versions of Holly and have them play off of each other, or at least bring her back for one episode), but it just goes to show you the mentality of the writers and what they consider lies at the heart of the show.
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Post by Ludders II on Oct 17, 2024 21:49:28 GMT
The Penguin is probably the most liked DC production at the moment. I'd definitely recommend it to people here. Even forgetting the links to the Batman universe, it's still an absorbing drama. I think I'll give this a go. I've downloaded the first 2 episodes. Was also thinking of doing Gotham all the way through, as I only saw a few episodes here and there because it started just after I got married and there was too much going on to devote the time to it. I haven't started watching The Penguin yet. I'm waiting until they've all been on. In the meantime I've downloaded the entire series of Gotham. Not sure which to watch first. Lol I notice there's a Batwoman show as well. Anyone seen it? |
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Post by iank on Oct 18, 2024 5:46:01 GMT
Beyond a Joke is the single worst episode of Red Dwarf ever made. It's cringily, painfully unfunny.
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Post by iank on Oct 18, 2024 5:46:37 GMT
What's wrong with Beyond a Joke? It's a bit shit. No, it's a LOT shit.  |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 18, 2024 9:14:15 GMT
Beyond a Joke is the single worst episode of Red Dwarf ever made. It's cringily, painfully unfunny. That's insane? It's not a classic or anything but it's just an average episode with some funny bits and a cool Simulant antagonist? Making out it's the worst is again like Morbius or Ugly Bob in South Park. What it's worse than Back In The Red with its 5 min dance sequence that took 8 months to film, its literal 5 min pointless recap with the captain because they didn't have enough script to fill, or the awful story of them going to prison that takes over the rest of the season? Or it's worse than Pete that wastes what could have been a really cool Dinosaur story for endless scenes of them being in trouble with the Captain? Or Krytie tv that turns Kryten into a mad creep video taping women in the shower? Hell even Back to Earth, the most dated of all episodes that lazily copies scenes from Blade Runner and adds nothing (the Family Guy and Big Bang Theory method of comedy.) No way is it worse than those episodes. |
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Post by iank on Oct 18, 2024 9:27:32 GMT
It is. They're bad, but BAJ is worse. The opening scenes in VR are amusing and then there's nary a funny gag for the rest of the ep.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 18, 2024 9:47:13 GMT
It is. They're bad, but BAJ is worse. The opening scenes in VR are amusing and then there's nary a funny gag for the rest of the ep. Back In The Red is objectively worse as it damages the show with the stupid prison storyline. It's like Death in Heaven, though obviously it's not quite as damaging to the show as Death in Heaven. Red Dwarf was able to recover after all, though even then it still took a ten year gap. Also Doug Naylor was smart enough to see that formula didn't work and didn't decide to just keep doing it for the next ten years like Moffat, Chibnall and RTD did with Death in Heaven. Meanwhile no funny gags? Hello, that has Kochanski best "hello wall" in regards to the Cat, the Cat being an idiot and breaking the disguise, and "I'll never get invited to parties" LOL. Plus the Simulant is probably the most effective in the series at showing what a horrific race of monsters they are. The first one played by Professor Jim Morrison was a standard British robot in a lighter story. The Inquisitor wasn't really a proper Simulant, more of a one off, whilst the two season 6 Sims were far too charismatic and human. (The female one was such a babe. I'd have let her take me hostage and torture me.) Finally the Sims in s10 though brilliant are obviously more bumbling and funny. To me 7 is the only time they seemed genuinely scary. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 18, 2024 12:34:00 GMT
It is. They're bad, but BAJ is worse. The opening scenes in VR are amusing and then there's nary a funny gag for the rest of the ep. the Cat being an idiot and breaking the disguise The disguise scene is incredibly unfunny. Why do they have spare GELF costumes on Starbug? |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 18, 2024 12:36:25 GMT
The true underrated Series 7 episode is "Duct Soup" which has some lovely character moments. Even if Kryten buggering things up on purpose is a bit silly, I like the dialogue and find the general premise better than Beyond a Joke.
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Post by rushy on Oct 18, 2024 14:12:32 GMT
I don't like Beyond a Joke, but Polymorph II and III, Back in the Red, Pete and Only the Good have to be worse. At least Beyond a Joke has that guy from Star Wars with his amazing cancer rasp (as horrible as it is IRL, it works so well for the character).
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 18, 2024 14:21:35 GMT
Don Henderson is a badass in Delta and the Bannermen. He's clearly very unwell in Beyond a Joke which makes it more sad than anything else. It's such a shame he died not long after it aired.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 23, 2024 16:09:57 GMT
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