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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 17, 2024 16:21:33 GMT
Oi. I never said that..!  |
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 17, 2024 16:22:52 GMT
Oi. I never said that..! Sorry, forum code is f*cking weird on Proboards. Amended now. 😆 |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 17, 2024 16:25:22 GMT
I'm all about sniffing pants. No coats for me. Some of us are hardcore...
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 17, 2024 16:29:50 GMT
I'm all about sniffing pants. No coats for me. Some of us are hardcore... 😂 If she was sniffing his pants that definitely WOULD be creepy and weird. 😆 |
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 17, 2024 16:35:10 GMT
No offense to Sladen but I really cannot understand why she's so highly though of beyond the fact she was the main companion for Pertwee and Tom when the show was having one of it's best runs. She's easily the weakest of boths companions, with her being at her best in season 11 and losing most of her defining character traits once she's paired with Tom. What do you mean, ONE of its best runs? 😉 But seriously, I can understand that point of view, even if I don't agree with it. I was never a particular fan of Jo Grant myself, although I agree Leela was an excellent combination. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 17, 2024 16:36:29 GMT
To be fair she did sniff his coat in Planet of the Spiders which I always thought was quite creepy and weird and put me off the Sarah/Doctor pairing on my last rewatch for a bit. I'm a bit puzzled as to why you'd find that 'creepy and weird'. Her relationship with Pertwee's Doctor in particular was much more familial. She was missing him and worried about him, and not even sure of she would ever see him again. I think reminding herself of his smell was meant to be a gesture of either psychological reassurance, or even a manifestation of grief. Not dissimilar to the actions of a bereaved person. It's a subtle gesture if anything. Nothing creepy about it, in my opinion. Well I think it's because in recent years that's come to have a more sexual meaning like in Broke Back Mountain. I believe that was what the teaser was, him sniffing the guy he was having an affair with's coat. The Simpsons did a hilarious parody of it with Nelson and Bart. Again I can concede it was more innocent times back then, well apart from Jimmy Savile LOL. |
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 17, 2024 16:43:32 GMT
I've never seen Brokeback Mountain, but if something like that has become sexualised over time, then I think that's genuinely sad, in the true sense of the word.
Sexualisation of genuine feelings is something that I feel RTD would do if his stereotype of gay men is anything to go by.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 17, 2024 16:45:53 GMT
I'm all about sniffing pants. No coats for me. Some of us are hardcore... 😂 If she was sniffing his pants that definitely WOULD be creepy and weird. 😆 "Best episode ever..." |
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 17, 2024 16:47:10 GMT
Funny coincidence, the missus and I have been rewatching Life on Mars tonight, and before I left for work Sam Tyler did exactly that with his dad's jacket.
Edit with regard to the above post. No not THAT. 😆
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 17, 2024 16:56:02 GMT
😂 If she was sniffing his pants that definitely WOULD be creepy and weird. 😆 "Best episode ever..." I remember an episode of Buffy where Spike did that when he was snooping around her bedroom. It was every bit as disgusting and cringe inducing as you'd think. |
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 17, 2024 16:58:46 GMT
I remember an episode of Buffy where Spike did that when he was snooping around her bedroom. It was every bit as disgusting and cringe inducing as you'd think. 😯 You're really not selling Buffy to me now. 😉 lol |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Mar 17, 2024 17:21:11 GMT
Ouch. I consider myself suitably admonished. It is clearly I that is the crap geek... Ha. As insinuated earlier, don’t view that as an insult. My biggest fear would be if I was perceived as a “geek” at all. It’s not as cool as being a “nerd”. Being a crap one isn’t as bad as it sounds… |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 17, 2024 17:22:02 GMT
I remember an episode of Buffy where Spike did that when he was snooping around her bedroom. It was every bit as disgusting and cringe inducing as you'd think. 😯 You're really not selling Buffy to me now. 😉 lol Season 1-4 are fantastic. 2 and 3 are some of the best genre tv ever made and I think hold up brilliantly. I don't think you'd have any problem being older watching them, as I actually if anything enjoyed them more than ever on a recent rewatch as an adult. S5 however is sadly when things start to go wrong. It has many strengths, like Glory who is a fantastic villain (I already did a thread about her, Alti and the Rani so I won't go over that again.) However it also has a love triangle with Buffy, Spike and her awful boyfriend Riley which is one of the worst stories they ever did, and includes that pants smelling scene. It's also imo where the soap opera begins to take over the show, and sets some bad precedents. S6 is garbage, whilst 7 is a decent ending. Angel meanwhile, seasons 1 and 2 are fantastic, 3 is pretty good but again much like Buffy s5 it sets the precedent for things to go wrong, 4 is a train wreck of epic proportions and 5 is one of the best seasons of all time. I've always felt actually the Buffyverses history in terms of quality matches Classic Who quite well. Basically this is how I see it. S1 of Buffy = 60s Who. Both incredibly imaginative, maybe a bit more of their time, and a bit clunkier in some ways, but more than make up for it with their creativity and enthusiasm. S2-3 of Buffy = Pertwee and Hinchcliff era. The absolute golden age and when the show was at its peak with everybody, fans, public, and critics. S4 of Buffy, S1 of Angel = The Williams era. Was very popular at the time, but a lot of fans bash it for being too lightweight, which to be fair they all are, but I like that as it's nice to have a breather and a period that's just fun. Ironically a candidate for the most popular era from both comes from this time, Hush in Buffy's case, City of Death in Who's. Also all periods have passionate defenders. S5 of Buffy, S2 of Angel = 5th Doctors era. In all cases this was seen as a huge return to form as all saw the show take itself seriously again and be a bit darker. However whilst there is a lot of good in all eras, many also feel this is when a lot of bad precedents were set like Caves of Androzani and The Body both of which though well regarded, the show would try to repeat many times (in Buffy's case by being more of a soap, in Who's having every alien want to shag Peri and making it nastier for the sake of it etc.) S6 of Buffy S3 of Angel = 6th Doctors first season. Some gems, but overall this is when it really starts to shit the bed and what's funny is it's for the same reasons. In all cases they try and make it dark by having the characters do horrible things, like the 6th Doctor strangeling Peri, and on Buffy and Angel, well I won't give it away, but yeah the characters do far worse shit than that. S7 of Buffy, S4 of Angel = Trial of a Time Lord. Probably the low point, and again what's interesting is that in all cases it was for the same reasons. Behind the scenes shit, and in all 3 years they tried to do this big sprawling story arc that covered the entire year, which if you don't like the story, you're f*cked. Sadly in all cases the story was literally made up on the fly and the ending had to be rewritten and change. Though Buffy s7 is the least offensive for this. There was also a high profile sacking this year that left a bad taste in lots of people's mouths. S5 of Angel = McCoy era. After the disaster of the previous years, they pull it back and give us a stand out period that manages to fix some of the mistakes of the past and take it in new direction. Though the McCoy era and the first few episodes of s5 are a bit ropey as they settle in, once it gets going then it is one of the best periods. The hero gets a new foil, Ace and Spike (both violent cockney's come to think of it LOL.) And it really gives the show a new boost. Sadly in both cases behind the scenes shit, with a network head who had a vendetta against the show resulted in it being axed before the new golden age could take off, but at least both went out on a high that secured their reputations in the long run. |
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 17, 2024 17:40:23 GMT
It's 20 years plus since I saw it. It wasn't totally my thing, what with all the characters being very young, but I didn't mind it. I liked it enough to watch the whole thing anyway.
I couldn't get into Angel though. I thought he was the most boring character of the lot, who just flounced around being a moody goth, and they gave him a spin-off. 😆
To be fair, my memories of it are pretty faded now, but I actually liked the Dark Willow stuff better than the vampire stuff somehow.
Thinking back it was a bit like Dark Shadows for teenagers, except better written. Lol
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Mar 17, 2024 21:46:44 GMT
I don't get the love for Turn Left. The premise is cool, but 45 minutes of Donna is absolute torture. I do appreciate the effort of the "it's happening again" scene, but it feels very heavy handed with the loud music and screaming from Donna. The whole episode is a depressing slog.
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