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Post by zarius on Dec 16, 2023 8:14:01 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 16, 2023 10:45:32 GMT
I don't think it will go beyond season 2 considering how badly the viewers are flopping. I think there's a very real possibility that Ncuti season 2 will be buried in the summer death slot like Primeval season 5 was. (That was a similar situation, where they made two at once, but sadly Primeval season 4 kind of flopped, so they thought, don't bother with the 5th season.)
Still that said it's not so unusual if he doesn't know whether there will be a third season yet as his first hasn't even aired!
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Post by UncleDeadly on Dec 16, 2023 17:26:01 GMT
Not really surprising. They need to make allowances for when he'll officially be considered shit... |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Dec 16, 2023 17:27:26 GMT
Well, that much is true...
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Post by UncleDeadly on Dec 16, 2023 17:29:23 GMT
How appropriate. Not long now, then...
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Dec 17, 2023 13:15:12 GMT
I'll be shocked if NuWho is still around ten years from now. Fathead had one chance to rekindle some of the goodwill that's been pissed away over the last decade, and to say that he squandered that opportunity would be the understatement of the century.
By and large, the only people who praised these specials are depressed, ageing millennials who haven't been happy since 2010 and are so desperate to relive their childhoods that they'll overlook anything, and woke identitarian culture warriors for whom "winding up the traditionalists" is the only source of enjoyment. As the appalling viewing figures show, these groups won't be enough to sustain the show for more than a couple of years. Unless he somehow manages to cultivate a completely new audience, it's finished.
Even Disney are beginning to panic about the financial burden of propping up these widely unpopular skinsuit franchises. If NuWho continues to perform this poorly, how much longer will a Disney whose leadership are increasingly indicating a desire to distance the company from divisive culture war issues carry on throwing money at it? And where would that leave RTD? At the mercy of the BBC who were content to cancel it at the end of Chinballs' run?
I could be wrong, but my prediction is that the show isn't long for this world. Time will tell.
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 17, 2023 13:41:29 GMT
I'll be shocked if NuWho is still around ten years from now. Fathead had one chance to rekindle some of the goodwill that's been pissed away over the last decade, and to say that he squandered that opportunity would be the understatement of the century. By and large, the only people who praised these specials are depressed, ageing millennials who haven't been happy since 2010 and are so desperate to relive their childhoods that they'll overlook anything, and woke identitarian culture warriors for whom "winding up the traditionalists" is the only source of enjoyment. As the appalling viewing figures show, these groups won't be enough to sustain the show for more than a couple of years. Unless he somehow manages to cultivate a completely new audience, it's finished. Even Disney are beginning to panic about the financial burden of propping up these widely unpopular skinsuit franchises. If NuWho continues to perform this poorly, how much longer will a Disney whose leadership are increasingly indicating a desire to distance the company from divisive culture war issues carry on throwing money at it? And where would that leave RTD? At the mercy of the BBC who were content to cancel it at the end of Chinballs' run? I could be wrong, but my prediction is that the show isn't long for this world. Time will tell. We can only hope. That's not spite against RTD as I don't hate him that much to want to ruin him personally. I'm not a Mafia don LOL. "I want RTD dead I want his cat dead I want his" etc. Also even if it does tank he's already a millionaire with a shit ton of fans and awards anyway. However the longer this parody of DW goes on, the more damage it does not just to DW, but to sci fi in general on tv. Like I said in another post, I'm not even just talking about an alternate sequel. What chance does an unapologetically sci fi show in general like the original or Blake's 7 have to get made on British tv when the likes of RTD and Chibnall and their "sci fi must always reflect the world around it" is seen as the flagship genre show? I mean again I don't even mind there being some sci fi soap opera, like Spider-Man or Buffy, but dear god can we have something different on British tv after that being the dominant model with DW, Being Human, Humans etc after so many years? I also don't like seeing a generation raised on this bastardisation of DW, that literally goes out of its way to destroy the original, through lies like "it never had any identity, the Doctor should be called they, and be absolutely anyone." It all just makes it a bigger uphill task to even attempt to do something like the original. Sooner it finishes, sooner the DW brand and the genre will be better off. Fans like I hate to say Ian Levine who just want DW on no matter what and will support it no matter what are doing far more harm this way than good. |
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Post by iank on Dec 17, 2023 21:06:41 GMT
I do have spite against RTD and I do want to see him personally ruined, but I'm a vindictive asshole so...
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Post by Spark Doll King on Dec 17, 2023 21:36:19 GMT
I do have spite against RTD and I do want to see him personally ruined, but I'm a vindictive asshole so... I hope I live long enough for RTD to get treated like JNT did, only one this occasion it's justified, but them I'm a vindictive asshole as well. You'd almost think he wanted to be the man who killed Doctor Who, since he stole the crown so quickly from Chibbs. |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 17, 2023 22:15:35 GMT
I do have spite against RTD and I do want to see him personally ruined, but I'm a vindictive asshole so... To be honest the more I read about the Fitzroy Crowd and their toadies the more I can sometimes fall into that LOL. I do try to keep it in check as it just a tv show, but they have all been real assholes. Just this week we've had Eccelston come out with his bitterness and anger towards RTD, confirming that he was blacklisted and here is Claudia Boleyn's account of what happened for daring to criticise Moffat in DW magazine. She brought this up again today because Benjamin Cook was being a bit of an asshole on twitter.  Remember Bendy Cock is only there because of Russell and he was his absolute bff and co-wrote his ego stroking book the Writers Tale (where RTD devoted an entire chapter to his critics called "Bastards".) Again not saying they are all like this in the Fitzroy club, but there definitely is a horrible almost mafia esque LOL mantra of you disrespect me, or my friends we'll finish you.  |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Dec 18, 2023 3:02:47 GMT
I don't care that it's "just a TV show". The way in which these individuals have conducted themselves in and around the show is truly immoral by any standard.
They piggyback off the work of vastly more creative, original and talented artists only to throw those artists under the bus and denounce them as bigots once they're no longer alive to defend themselves. They insert themselves into people's treasured childhood memories, and delight in retroactively sullying those memories out of sheer spite. They tell little boys that they should hate themselves for being born wrong. They construct personality cults around themselves and rally mobs to bully people simply for disagreeing with them or criticising aspects of their work. They stab their long-time colleagues, collaborators and supposed friends in the back at the first sign of potential career advancement, and couldn't care less about the devastating mental health impact this can have. They conspire to cover up bullying, sexual harassment and actual life endangerment that lower-paid entertainment industry workers were subject to under their watch.
Needless to say, wishing bodily harm on anyone is beyond the pale. On the other hand, if they were sued into bankruptcy, banned from having anything to do with the series, had their contributions decanonised, and were blacklisted from the industry at large? Yeah, I wouldn't object to any of that. I'd bask in the schadenfreude without even the faintest twinge of guilt.
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Post by iank on Dec 18, 2023 4:05:49 GMT
Oh I agree. This has gone way beyond them just being shit writers and the like. They are legit awful excuses for human beings.
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 18, 2023 10:15:48 GMT
I don't care that it's "just a TV show". The way in which these individuals have conducted themselves in and around the show is truly immoral by any standard. They piggyback off the work of vastly more creative, original and talented artists only to throw those artists under the bus and denounce them as bigots once they're no longer alive to defend themselves. They insert themselves into people's treasured childhood memories, and delight in retroactively sullying those memories out of sheer spite. They tell little boys that they should hate themselves for being born wrong. They construct personality cults around themselves and rally mobs to bully people simply for disagreeing with them or criticising aspects of their work. They stab their long-time colleagues, collaborators and supposed friends in the back at the first sign of potential career advancement, and couldn't care less about the devastating mental health impact this can have. They conspire to cover up bullying, sexual harassment and actual life endangerment that lower-paid entertainment industry workers were subject to under their watch. Needless to say, wishing bodily harm on anyone is beyond the pale. On the other hand, if they were sued into bankruptcy, banned from having anything to do with the series, had their contributions decanonised, and were blacklisted from the industry at large? Yeah, I wouldn't object to any of that. I'd bask in the schadenfreude without even the faintest twinge of guilt. To be honest, you're 100 percent right. I try not to get too personal, as in all honestly I know you'll all probably burst out laughing at this, but I don't like to come over as negative. I often do try and focus on the positives, hence why I always love going on about the Ducky's I've known. However these guys as you said their nastiness does keep spilling out. No matter how hard you try and write it off as just "well maybe they have a different idea of DW, best not to get too worked up over it." Then something like the Claudia Boleyn situation comes out, where you find out they or their toadies gaslit and drove a vulnerable young woman to self harm and destroy years of her work by preying on her mental illness, after trying to turn her into a trophy to show how progressive they were. I think all outside of their cult of personality can see that there is a crooked empire there that needs to collapse. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 10:42:13 GMT
I think the camp gay best friend sitcom character description is correct. He's like Hollywood from Mannequin without the charm and likeability.
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Post by mott1 on Dec 25, 2023 20:38:10 GMT
I get the feeling we'll cycle thru 2 or 3 season tenures of every type of 'groundbreaking' appointment before the show is finally allowed a well-deserved sleep.
In a few years it'll probably then turn up on TV Hell programs with the same people who used to indulge it slagging it off.
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