|
|
Post by burrunjor on Dec 11, 2023 12:17:35 GMT
used to call it Disney Who?
Well I think he has to eat his words now. That was completely wrong and snobbish of him.
Yeah there are no words, except I feel so good about my own DW story right now. Not saying it was a classic obvs, but compared to that, The Fire of the Daleks is a f*cking masterpiece!
Oh RTD also did some more fat shaming with jokes about the Goblin man's chin wobbling with the villain once again being a big fat monster that eats people.
|
|
|
|
Post by ClockworkOcean on Dec 11, 2023 12:35:58 GMT
This is not Doctor Who. This isn't even NuWho. Hell, it isn't even a parody of NuWho. This is a random, entirely unrelated show that's somehow ended up with the name. If Antiques Roadshow suddenly started calling itself The Simpsons, that would make about as much sense as this ridiculous thing being called Doctor Who.
|
|
|
|
Post by burrunjor on Dec 11, 2023 12:38:27 GMT
This is not Doctor Who. This isn't even NuWho. Hell, it isn't even a parody of NuWho. This is a random, entirely unrelated show that's somehow ended up with the name. If Antiques Roadshow suddenly started calling itself The Simpsons, that would make about as much sense as this ridiculous thing being called Doctor Who. UGH looking at all the praise this is getting from DW fans for being exactly the type of thing DW does is depressing. What is wrong with DW fans and their loyalty to the name of DW and nothing else? I am honestly convinced you could have the Doctor fight a lump of shit. Not even sentient shit. Literally a lump of steaming shit and these people would still give it a 10/10. |
|
|
|
Post by UncleDeadly on Dec 11, 2023 12:42:27 GMT
This is not Doctor Who. This isn't even NuWho. Hell, it isn't even a parody of NuWho. This is a random, entirely unrelated show that's somehow ended up with the name. If Antiques Roadshow suddenly started calling itself The Simpsons, that would make about as much sense as this ridiculous thing being called Doctor Who. Yes. It's a shame no-one listened when Bidmead said exactly the same thing in 2005... |
|
|
|
Post by ClockworkOcean on Dec 11, 2023 12:58:43 GMT
Wouldn't it be glorious if ITV aired Jim Henson's Labyrinth - of which this is clearly a third-rate rip-off - alongside this crap? That's no slight on the original, I hasten to add. That at least had some wit, charm, imagination, decent music and charismatic leads.
|
|
|
|
Post by burrunjor on Dec 11, 2023 13:21:21 GMT
Seeing all the comments on the Youtube clip of the original Hartnell Celestial Toymaker story praise shit like Missy "oh a Missy and Toymaker team up would be amazing" and that utter shit storm of an episode on Saturday is actually making me depressed.
I mean I understand 21st century Who fans who haven't seen the original lapping this up, but what is f*cking wrong with classic who fans who praise this shit and delude themselves into thinking that this is all one show?
Do they not realise by doing that they are stopping there from EVER being anything actually like the original on British tv? I don't even mean a sequel, I mean something like it, as if this is the sci fi flagship show, one that is ashamed to be sci fi, then what f*cking chance do we have for a mainstream sci fi series.
Also just how, HOOOOOOOOOOW can someone who liked classic who still enjoy DW in its current iteration as a legit sequel? I mean what is there even left of what made it DW?
If they say they like it as DW, then clearly
They never much cared for the main character as it's not the main character anymore, it's a clone, who shares nothing in common with the original. Hartnell and the original seven were sexless, professorial scientists akin to Holmes and Van Helsing who dressed in old fashioned, Edwardian/Victorian era clothing, this guy dances on tables in gay clubs, calls everyone honey, dresses in modern clothes when he's not showing off his arse and is basically a self insert of an egomaniac author who loves heat magazine.
They clearly never much cared for the villains or iconography, as if you praise Missy that alone shows you don't give a flying f*ck for the Master having every single aspect of his personality removed and undermined. Yeah all the decades worth of rivalry between him and the Doctor. NAH it's okay if they toss that in the bin for Moff to shove his MILF fantasy in our faces AGAIN for the fourth f*cking time. If you're happy for that to happen to as big a character as the Master, as far as I'm concerned you're happy for it to happen to any bad guy or icon like the Brig. You can't say "oh no the Daleks would never do that." As hey if you genuinely think that Missy is a faithful Master, why not have Daleks become f*cking hippies.
They clearly never much cared for its ongoing storylines and characters that built up over decades, hence why they are happy for them to be undermined and destroyed by the completely nonsensical Timeless Children and 40 other origin stories for the character that turn it into an absolutely convoluted mess with no real identity left at all.
They clearly never much cared for the fact that it was a sci fi adventure series, that focused on a wide range of sci fi tropes and genres, as RTD is now saying he wants to ditch the sci fi, make it a queer fantasy and focus more on the soap opera aspects.
What the f*ck is there left for you to enjoy if you're a classic fan? Literally the name Doctor Who. THAT'S IT! That literally must be all these people like of the original.
The f*cking Cushing movies have more of a claim to being true DW. Seriously. Everything that people would say are wrong with them, applies to New Who. Cushing isn't playing the same character technically, Doctor Who isn't a Time Lord. Yeah same is true of Ncuti. Meanwhile Cushing's Doctor Who at least fitted the more old fashioned scientist in a frock coat, didn't dance on tables, call everybody honey, and at least those movies focused on sci fi, adventure and didn't turn it into a tedious soap opera/queer fantasy.
Yet you'll STILL get people saying those movies are bad for not being proper DW, but praise RTD and the revival? It's insane, absolute insanity! I feel like we're all in some kind of experiment LOL.
Are these people sheep to that extent that because it is released by the BBC and called DW and it's made by a guy who back in the 00s for like FOUR YEARS made us kewwwwwwwwllllll among shallow media whores and panel show morons, that is enough for them to clap like seals? I've never seen anything like it.
It's literally the reverse of every other show, where the fans keep it pure, and the GP lap up the bastardisation. Here the fans cling to these idiotic bastardisations like Missy, Ncuti and the Timeless Children as rip roaring successes, whilst the public stop tuning in and have to shout "DW IS UTTER CRAP CHANGE IT!" Yet they keep going ahead? It's f*cking insane.
|
|
|
|
Post by zarius on Dec 11, 2023 16:31:06 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by ClockworkOcean on Dec 11, 2023 17:11:37 GMT
I think we can now say without a shadow of a doubt that Fathead isn't a fan of the original show. He probably was when he was 10 years old, and during his first run was able to recall just enough hazy childhood memories to get some things somewhat right some of the time (e.g. the Daleks). However, the notion that this man watches the classic show regularly in his spare time, understands it and enjoys it for what it is, is inconceivable. I'm sorry, but you can be a fan of Doctor Who OR you can do to it what he and his little clique have spent the last ten years doing.
The guy is a cynical careerist hack who rode to the top of the industry on the coattails of an old favorite the public were already clamouring for a revival of long before he came along. His motivation then was to use it as a springboard for his and Chinballs' trashy, pretentious, adolescent emo drama featuring sex monsters who shag people to death, hypnotic date rape drugs, and dominatrixes marching around in Cyberman-themed bondage gear. His motivation today is to fill his pension pot making risk-free rip-offs of Disney-owned properties with DW-themed window dressing and use them as ham-fisted propaganda vehicles for his vacuous, imbecilic political takes so that he can bask in the adulation of undiscerning wankers even more cretinous than him.
|
|
|
|
Post by burrunjor on Dec 11, 2023 18:52:53 GMT
LOL calmed down a bit now. Sorry about the EXPLOSIVE rant earlier. I don't want to be anti new who fans like Zarius or be a little Who fascist "you can't like this or that."
I just didn't get it as it is no longer the same character anymore. Again this isn't even interpretations, it LITERALLY isn't the same character any more. He's split in two. I thought that would be the point that it would drive people away. I do still maintain that there is nothing left of the show now, but it's not up to me to make people feel like they're not true fans.
I got the rant out of my system that's me LOL.
|
|
|
|
Post by zarius on Dec 11, 2023 19:06:20 GMT
LOL calmed down a bit now. Sorry about the EXPLOSIVE rant earlier. I don't want to be anti new who fans like Zarius or be a little Who fascist "you can't like this or that." I just didn't get it as it is no longer the same character anymore. Again this isn't even interpretations, it LITERALLY isn't the same character any more. He's split in two. I thought that would be the point that it would drive people away. I do still maintain that there is nothing left of the show now, but it's not up to me to make people feel like they're not true fans. I got the rant out of my system that's me LOL. It's healthy to vent, no issues. I still think Nu Who can have plenty of cringe in it, there are times it embarrasses me too. I doubt I can ever go to my circle of friends and tell them I enjoyed Toymaker's 'extra spice' and the Doctor mixing in with the boys and girls...I can't live vicariously through that, I can't stand clubs, and i'm too old to mix in like that, I'd get the most awful stares rofl. Why Ncuti's character finds the devouring black babies "amazing" is a red flag also. He knows what skin he's in right? A lot of Davies work these past few specials comes across to me like he doesn't have much tolerance for the P.C culture as the work indicates, I've...noticed things that seem to be taking sharp jabs at all the inclusivity and it's very mean-spirited |
|
|
|
Post by RobFilth on Dec 11, 2023 19:45:24 GMT
This thread made me look through my old archive to see if I could find the "Disney Who" avatar I used to use. Couldn't find it though.  I found this nice picture of Ian Levine asking Rani for his gym shorts back though.  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 20:09:25 GMT
The guy is a cynical careerist hack who rode to the top of the industry on the coattails of an old favorite the public were already clamouring for a revival of long before he came along. His motivation then was to use it as a springboard for his and Chinballs' trashy, pretentious, adolescent emo drama featuring sex monsters who shag people to death, hypnotic date rape drugs, and dominatrixes marching around in Cyberman-themed bondage gear. I never even considered that before, but it does make sense. Torchwood is basically Queer As Folk with aliens |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 20:24:47 GMT
used to call it Disney Who? Well I think he has to eat his words now. That was completely wrong and snobbish of him. Yeah there are no words, except I feel so good about my own DW story right now. Not saying it was a classic obvs, but compared to that, The Fire of the Daleks is a f*cking masterpiece! Oh RTD also did some more fat shaming with jokes about the Goblin man's chin wobbling with the villain once again being a big fat monster that eats people. This is a horrible, horrible song. There are some great Disney-esque theatre-kid songs out there but this isn't one of them. The instrumental is weak, the voice is ridiculously processed to the point it just sounds like a robot singing. You could do so much with a setpiece like this and they instead opted for a song so plastic and boring that even Taylor Swift wouldn't touch it. As someone who listens to the charts a fair bit, this would be out of place even in the top 40, which is saying something (seriously, I always maintain that the most soulless music is made by bedroom producers). It's clear they've tried to make the next "banger" rather than making a creative song that suits the episode. And they've even failed at that, because who is gonna listen to this outside of DW fans? I say this with no ounce of irony, but at least Doctor In Distress had some soul and life to it. This isn't even anywhere as good as that Agatha All Along song, which is also horrible. Even the song from Daleks in Manhattan has more merit than this. |
|
|
|
Post by iank on Dec 11, 2023 20:40:08 GMT
This is not Doctor Who. This isn't even NuWho. Hell, it isn't even a parody of NuWho. This is a random, entirely unrelated show that's somehow ended up with the name. If Antiques Roadshow suddenly started calling itself The Simpsons, that would make about as much sense as this ridiculous thing being called Doctor Who. UGH looking at all the praise this is getting from DW fans for being exactly the type of thing DW does is depressing. What is wrong with DW fans and their loyalty to the name of DW and nothing else? I am honestly convinced you could have the Doctor fight a lump of shit. Not even sentient shit. Literally a lump of steaming shit and these people would still give it a 10/10. I've said it before, and I will say it again: There is a section of Who fans that have their fandom in place of a personality and a life. Who is their entire identity, so of course they have to mindlessly swallow anything under the name, even if it no longer resembles the thing they supposedly "love". They don't love it. It's debatable if they ever did. They just chose their fandom over getting a life. I don't understand it, but there you have it. I get that it's difficult to walk away from something you've watched for a long time, and/or that you've invested in. It was the same for me with The Bill in 2002, Neighbours in 93 and then again in 06 (after having foolishly started watching again in 04). Even New Poo took me several times to cut the cord. But if the product no longer matches the name and you just keep mindlessly lapping it up, you're not a fan. You're a consumer. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 21:03:59 GMT
I will never understand the rabid fans who took the piss out of Doom's Day but are absolutely adoring this. It's just the typical two-faced BS from people who have no real moral standing or even just interesting opinions. The sort of "Love and Monsters bad because of green fat suit" bozos who parrot the talking points of their favourite YouTube chancer because they have been raised without the capacity for independent thought. That being said, the amount of people I know who will suck up to anyone for a slice of pie is pretty disconcerting. There's this music "journalist" I know who will give inordinate (and sloppily written) praise to the shallowest, most uninteresting projects just so he can get more interviews on his channel. A generation of suck-ups whose interesting, and perhaps useful, opinions are inhibited by their desire to remain in the loop, in the cycle of comfortable mediocrity. We're living in the worst timeline.
|
|
