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Post by burrunjor on Nov 11, 2024 10:21:29 GMT
Yeah, in no universe is 7 better than 10. 7 is largely awful bar Crimson Horror. What you agreeing with Rushy? You two are like Ruth Duggan and Alan Partridge LOL. 10 is definitely the best of the Capaldi era, but it's let down by Missy. Sorry but it can't be a great season with her as she is a literal parody. It would be like a Bond movie being rated if it had Doctor Evil instead of Blofeld. Also 11 and Clara have great chemistry and The Bells of Saint John is a brilliant invasion earth story (with the ending being one of the greatest moments of horror in DW.) Also the Ice Warrior adventure is a great romp and Name of the Doctor whilst not making any sense is still tremendous fun with Richard E Grant hamming it up, the Whisper Men and is a better use of the first Doctor than the cosplayer, sexual braggard Hartnell we got in s10. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 11, 2024 11:24:23 GMT
The Big Bang was the perfect ending. Just have the Doctor being removed from the timeline stick. I loved that scene between him and the sleeping Amy. It's a good end. Nothing in s6 or s7 lives up to the sincerity of s5.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 11, 2024 14:56:30 GMT
5 is a bit average at times. It has some good stuff, but I've gone off it recently. The latter half of Series 7 is my favourite of the Moffat era. I didn't really care before Clara came on board properly.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 11, 2024 14:58:06 GMT
Series 3 is head and shoulders above everything else. I absolutely adore it all. Even Series 4 has grown on me to the extent that I'd consider it the second or third best of the lot.
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Post by rushy on Nov 11, 2024 15:02:06 GMT
Martha never really did much for me. She wasn't awful or anything, but I just didn't connect with her. I thought Donna added more to the show, not being a young woman in love with the Doctor.
RTD loves Rose about as much as David Lynch loves Laura Palmer though. I'm genuinely surprised he's managed to resist bringing her back so far.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 11, 2024 15:06:13 GMT
Martha never really did much for me. She wasn't awful or anything, but I just didn't connect with her. I thought Donna added more to the show, not being a young woman in love with the Doctor. RTD loves Rose about as much as David Lynch loves Laura Palmer though. I'm genuinely surprised he's managed to resist bringing her back so far. Martha is my favourite NuWho companion. In a sense she was my companion simply because I'd joined Rose's adventures late and didn't fully know the whole story at the time. I followed Martha for three months (three glorious months) and by the end she had all but erased Rose from my mind. I'm glad they brought her back for five episodes the following year. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 11, 2024 15:26:09 GMT
Series 3 is head and shoulders above everything else. I absolutely adore it all. Even Series 4 has grown on me to the extent that I'd consider it the second or third best of the lot. 3 is by far the best. You can't not love Freema. I'll assume you're bullshitting if you say you so. PS you might enjoy this pic. Found it on twitter. Mandip has a huge line and Jodie has none. She's less than thrilled (obviously it was just at that moment, but it's still funny haha. Be honest were you in Mandips line? You can admit if you were I won't judge.)  |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 11, 2024 15:31:35 GMT
Series 3 is head and shoulders above everything else. I absolutely adore it all. Even Series 4 has grown on me to the extent that I'd consider it the second or third best of the lot. 3 is by far the best. You can't not love Freema. I'll assume you're bullshitting if you say you so. PS you might enjoy this pic. Found it on twitter. Mandip has a huge line and Jodie has none. She's less than thrilled (obviously it was just at that moment, but it's still funny haha. Be honest were you in Mandips line? You can admit if you were I won't judge.) I'd definitely be in Mandip's line! I would make sure I got round to meeting Jodie, but Mandip is very much at the top of my list  |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 11, 2024 16:03:59 GMT
Martha never really did much for me. She wasn't awful or anything, but I just didn't connect with her. I thought Donna added more to the show, not being a young woman in love with the Doctor. RTD loves Rose about as much as David Lynch loves Laura Palmer though. I'm genuinely surprised he's managed to resist bringing her back so far. God Donna is the most overrated character in the history of the show. The only one I hate more than her is Missy. To start with I'm fed up of the "she wasn't in love with him, so that means she was great and something fresh." That's the bare minimum for a companion in my eyes. By that logic is Dodo one of the absolute best? It says more about New Who than it does her being a good character that they only got a platonic Doctor/companion relationship with ONE heterosexual woman. They literally in all other cases to get it platonic had to make either the Doctor or the companion gay like Ncuti/Ruby and Bill/Capaldi. (Even then that wasn't always guaranteed as seen with Jodie and Yaz.) Also whilst I prefer platonic relationships, a romance between the Doctor and his companion doesn't always mean it will be worse if it's done well. Romana/Tom for instance was borderline romantic at times, and could have easily become a romantic relationship, but that would have been okay since she is a Time Lady, hundreds of years old and a good character who wouldn't bog the show down into soap opera. (Again by this logic, is Dodo a better companion than Romana?) Meanwhile Donna was far more of a repeat of Rose than Martha was in other more important ways. Let's see+, annoying, gobby working class stereotype, who had a more unsympathetic mother figure and a more sympathetic father figure, has a boring, humdrum life and joins the Doctor and wants to stay with him forever, because he made her better. There is also something weird following her around, that's revealed to be because in the finale she gets magic super powers and uses them to stop the Daleks. Same arc, same resolution basically. Also her story arc is a f*cking insult to the Doctor and all the other characters. It's honestly one of the worst team ups I've ever seen. To start with as I've been over, her getting the Doctors powers and using them in a more effective way than he ever did, completely undermines him as a hero. It's the one thing you DON'T do. Other shows do that story in reverse, where someone gets the heroes powers and f*cks up with them to show us how they aren't just a hero based on their powers (like Buffy and Faith.) Only RTD had such a lack of respect for the character he'd do it the other f*cking way round. (Though I suspect there was a bit of misandry in it, as even then of they couldn't bare to have the Doctor be the hero in his own show because he was a man, so they had to have the companion save the day, hence why he only saves the day in ONE of the four RTD season finales. Rose singlehandedly conquers the Daleks, Martha brings down the Master, and Donna shuts down the bomb when two Doctors have failed.) Still even beyond the misandry it's a huge f*cking insult to all of the other RTD era characters. Rose does bugger all, and is turned into even more of a jealous ex. Jack does bugger all, and is overpowered easily. Sarah Jane does nothing and is reduced to a whimpering idiot, driving a car through a Dalek infested London and then going "eeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiii I'm sorrrry" when a Dalek corners her. Martha is turned into a f*cking psychopath. Indeed Cyberhat has a point in how awful her treatment is, that she is going to kill EVERYBODY on earth, after having spent a year walking it to bring down the Master? All of these characters are made useless, insane, cowardly, just so Donna can be the bestest person in the entire multiverse. f*cking tv tropes had a cheek calling Lana Lang a creators pet and kissing Donna's arse. I also found Donna to be annoying personally, obnoxious and nasty at times. She was one of these people whose idea of being feisty was just to be rude and obnoxious. The female version of an arsehole guy who thinks being macho and alpha is to be an obnoxious shit head. Said it before and I'll say it again Donna reminds me of Cathy from Two Doors Down, who was meant to be an awful, obnoxious, shallow bully. Be honest that's EXACTLY how Donna would react in that situation, except that they'd play that really annoying, trying to be quirky theme she had over it, and the millennial fanbase would go "squeeeeee Donna's so lovable." Cathy reminded me of Missy too incidentally, but at least Michelle Gomez was doing that routine to make her obnoxious. That type is a popular character among Glaswegian comediennes haha. (I think it's because we are a macho culture, and so there are lots of stupid men and women that try and play up that image like Cathy and her equally awful husband.) It's a great comedy character, but again I think Michelle was wrong to use it for the Master. Still in that case it was at least meant to be unpleasant, where as Donna was meant to be charming. I hate to say that is probably because RTD is a little upper middle class Oxford boy who is impressed with people like Cathy, and thinks they are true working class rebels, rather than the obnoxious pricks they are LOL.. By the way, ALL of these problems with Donna were heightened when she returned for the 60th. It was so refreshing to see people finally realise what I had been saying about her all along, but it f*cking took them long enough and even then they still act like she was any different in the 60th. More heightened, but all the misandry, obnoxious comments to the Doctor, a strange to her at that point's looks, and undermining the character, that's all Donna. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 11, 2024 20:17:08 GMT
It's still a rarity to get an older woman as a companion, though. I mean, we had Jacqueline Hill in the 60s and it was pretty much a string of pretty 20-year olds after that.
And her using the Doctor's powers 'better' was a nod to the same type of mentality as Frodo Baggins carrying the One Ring when nobody else could. The fact that she's human and grounded gave her an advantage that normal Time Lords accustomed to their great powers no longer have. It was written perhaps too simplistically (the strength of the human companions is generally their empathy, not advanced scientific ability), but I never saw it as any kind of insult. It wasn't a Clara situation, or a "shame you're not a woman". The only ones who got seriously dunked on were the Daleks.
I can see her sarcasm being an issue, but again, it's not like Clara telling the Doctor off for simply asking her to fetch some equipment for him in Last Christmas, or expecting him to be on time with coffee or things like that. She obviously appreciated him during their time together whilst still holding her own.
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