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Post by burrunjor on Oct 27, 2024 18:32:06 GMT
I love classic, and it was one of my founding fandoms as a kid, but it's now still just one aspect of a much wider love for films and television in general (well, until lately  ). I think I shudder slightly at the idea of being thought of as one of these weirdos whose entire lives revolves around it, though... WHAT, you mean you don't live by the words of that wonderful, impossibly silly, brilliant, fantastic, insane, inspirational man the Doctor? Be kind? Never cruel or cowardly? Hate is foolish? How do you have any kind of a moral code without those to guide you? Also are you honestly telling me you don't want the Doctor to represent you in every conceivable way? How do you get any kind of validation in your life if you don't have the Doctor to represent you? I suppose you don't even dress up as the Doctor? I bet you're not even a gay man who somehow found this show about an alien that travels through time and space fighting monsters to perfectly represent everything about your lifestyle? You're such a sad sack loser Iank.  |
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Post by rushy on Oct 27, 2024 19:19:56 GMT
The Doctor's a less charismatic Ace Rimmer nowadays.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 27, 2024 19:43:22 GMT
The Doctor's a less charismatic Ace Rimmer nowadays. Ace Rimmer: What a guy The Doctor: What a git. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 27, 2024 19:51:58 GMT
If they stopped pretending any of this matters and just had the Doctor throw dynamite sticks at Nazis, I'd be onboard.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 10, 2024 11:39:45 GMT
I like to break NuWho up.
Series 1/2 is the "we don't really know what we're doing" era.
Series 3 is the "we've decided to be the best thing on TV" era
Series 4 is the "not quite as good as the previous year, but serviceable" era.
and then the show took a break for quite a few years.
Series 11 is the "WTF but still better than Moffat" era.
Series 12 is the "I've not seen enough of it to form an opinion but it's STILL better than Moffat" era
Series 13 is the "we've remembered how to make good Doctor Who" era
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 10, 2024 12:13:21 GMT
Fine, I'll do Moffat.
Series 5 is the "hngggg Amy Pond" era.
Series 6 is the "we're going to bugger it all up" era.
Series 7 is the "probably nonsense but I don't care cause I love Clara" era.
Series 8 is the "too shit to hide behind Clara" era.
Series 9 is the "it's not going to get better, is it?" era.
Series 10 is the "WOW, it did get better. Fancy that?" era.
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Post by iank on Nov 10, 2024 14:51:09 GMT
1-4 SHIT
5 Not bad for being in a broken franchise
6-10 Some passable stuff
11 on - Who even watches this excrement?
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 10, 2024 16:08:09 GMT
1- Overrated and only gets away with it because it was the first who in a long while. It's for the most part as campy and CBBC as season 24 barring the odd gem, though at least Rose is great as a companion for the most part.
2- A bit more proper at times like the Satan two parter, but possibly the worst Doctor/Companion dynamic at that point and some bigger lows.
3- Finally got their groove, with a leading man who is comfortable and loves what he's doing, and the cutest, most lovable woman of all time as his companion. (Apart from Aimee Garcia and Stacey Solomon, who only rival Freema's cuteness, not exceed it.)
4/ Good solid stuff, even if Donna is annoying.
Specials: Again apart from some mawkish moments and ego porn from Davies, decent enough.
5- Even better than 3 with the best leading man.
6-Flawed but still good
7- Same again LOL, some flaws, but still good overall with a brilliant Doctor/Companion dynamic in 11 and Clara that should have been given more time.
8-10- Pretentious, overdone, tired, lazy, at times bigoted horseshit made by someone who is clearly ashamed of having cast another straight white man, wastes its great actor and is so bad it actually manages to torpedo a 60 year franchise, which not even active attempts by the Beeb in the 80s could do. 10 is a slight improvement I suppose but tends to get lost next to 8 and 9.
10-13: As bland, unimaginative and painfully out of touch as it's possible for a show to be.
60th-present: You're taking the absolute smeg at this point.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 10, 2024 16:15:34 GMT
7- Same again LOL, some flaws, but still good overall with a brilliant Doctor/Companion dynamic in 11 and Clara that should have been given more time. Yeah, I agree. They clearly really like each other and the stories themselves are fun and not bogged down by the sometimes messy Smith era continuity. I did read somewhere Series 8 was supposed to be Time of the Doctor spread over the entire series if Matt had stayed. Would have been better than what we got with Capaldi. |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Nov 10, 2024 16:31:06 GMT
Personally I'd just cut it off after Smith.
Season one is an ok start to the series, the tennent years do have RTD clearly getting up his own arse but there is enjoyable stuff, Smith is the show at it's best prior to the final season when Moffat start shows signs of how awful things were going to get with capaldi. After that the shows well and truly into it's death spiral.
I do still view it as a separate entity from the original but I don't feel any real shame connecting the first three nuwho doctors with the the original series and the wilderness years, which is again it's own thing in my eyes.
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Post by rushy on Nov 10, 2024 17:29:39 GMT
Personally I'd just cut it off after Smith. Season one is an ok start to the series, the tennent years do have RTD clearly getting up his own arse but there is enjoyable stuff, Smith is the show at it's best prior to the final season when Moffat start shows signs of how awful things were going to get with capaldi. After that the shows well and truly into it's death spiral. I do still view it as a separate entity from the original but I don't feel any real shame connecting the first three nuwho doctors with the the original series and the wilderness years, which is again it's own thing in my eyes. I completely agree with this. Series 1-5 is all respectable. It started going off the rails in series 6 and never recovered except for a brief blip in series 10. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 10, 2024 17:59:08 GMT
Personally I'd just cut it off after Smith. Season one is an ok start to the series, the tennent years do have RTD clearly getting up his own arse but there is enjoyable stuff, Smith is the show at it's best prior to the final season when Moffat start shows signs of how awful things were going to get with capaldi. After that the shows well and truly into it's death spiral. I do still view it as a separate entity from the original but I don't feel any real shame connecting the first three nuwho doctors with the the original series and the wilderness years, which is again it's own thing in my eyes. I completely agree with this. Series 1-5 is all respectable. It started going off the rails in series 6 and never recovered except for a brief blip in series 10. What? Series 7 is way better than series 10. It doesn't have Missy. Well that's enough, but it also has a stronger arc with the Intelligence and whilst Bill is lovely, even then at times she does reek of Moffat saying "look I'm so progressive I understand the youth of today, she hates Donald Trump, she hates Donald Trump." |
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Post by rushy on Nov 10, 2024 18:09:21 GMT
My memories of series 7 are mostly that of many undercooked episodes. It was an improvement over the convoluted mess that 6 had been, but I felt it went too far in the opposite direction of having almost no consistent thread at all, and the episodes on their own were not really strong enough.
Series 10 has several episodes I like very strongly or at least remember more, and a TARDIS team that was a little bit more creative.
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Post by iank on Nov 11, 2024 7:11:51 GMT
Yeah, in no universe is 7 better than 10. 7 is largely awful bar Crimson Horror.
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 11, 2024 10:18:14 GMT
My memories of series 7 are mostly that of many undercooked episodes. It was an improvement over the convoluted mess that 6 had been, but I felt it went too far in the opposite direction of having almost no consistent thread at all, and the episodes on their own were not really strong enough. Series 10 has several episodes I like very strongly or at least remember more, and a TARDIS team that was a little bit more creative. You should give it a rewatch. In fact watch the first 7 seasons again. I had a great time with my rewatch earlier this year. Made me appreciate a lot of aspects of new who more (though again I still view it as an alternate universe, for new who's sake as much as classic who's.) Just stop as soon as Capaldi shows up, again for New Who's sake, not Classic Who which it is so divorced from. It's a shame to see Simm's villain who has the perfect ending in End of Time, turn into the Doctors jealous ex girlfriend, and to see the return of the Time Lords, a massive arc be reduced to literally. "It's back, they're not going to tell me how they did it. It would make them feel clever." Time of the Doctor isn't a perfect finale, but it's better than what came after. |
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