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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 20, 2023 10:59:13 GMT
Rubbish. As a Generation Z student myself, I never had any problem with watching monochrome cinema and TV. Quite the contrary: I watched The War Games multiple times as a 10 year old. As executive producers, these people have no understanding that “children” can’t be categorised into one monolithic block. In doing so, they assume that children are stupid and need material cut down for them. Patronising twats. |
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Post by cyberhat on Nov 20, 2023 11:09:01 GMT
I have no idea why RTD went to Oxford when his whole life seems dedicated to pandering to and celebrating dunce cap owners.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 11:35:43 GMT
Rubbish. As a Generation Z student myself, I never had any problem with watching monochrome cinema and TV. Quite the contrary: I watched The War Games multiple times as a 10 year old. As executive producers, these people have no understanding that “children” can’t be categorised into one monolithic block. In doing so, they assume that children are stupid and need material cut down for them. Patronising twats. I've read something similar recently from a fan: "Kids today won't watch plodding black and white stories anymore" How the f*ck do you know? Some kids and young teenagers love the likes of Troughton regardless of what the serials look like. I was utterly enchanted by black and white telly when I was younger. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 11:51:46 GMT
I have no idea why RTD went to Oxford when his whole life seems dedicated to pandering to and celebrating dunce cap owners. Trust me, most people at Oxford (and probably Cambridge for that matter) are complete blockheads |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Nov 20, 2023 12:27:26 GMT
I have no idea why RTD went to Oxford when his whole life seems dedicated to pandering to and celebrating dunce cap owners. Trust me, most people at Oxford (and probably Cambridge for that matter) are complete blockheads Should be a piece of piss getting in then, shouldn't it..? |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 20, 2023 12:29:14 GMT
Fathead must have cut The War Games down to 45 minutes too. There's no way any attention deficit post-Generation Z audience are going to sit through ten episodes, coloured and tarted up or not. I expect we'll see the Tardis land, a bit of WW1, the Doctor explaining they're in different time-zones and then jump straight to the Trial before the conclusion where Troughton is given a NuWho standing up messiah type explosive regeneration. The thing is though modern audiences aren't as thick as RTD says. Again I am a 90s baby. I was part of the very generation we were told by panel show c*nts, couldn't watch or appreciate DW. You might say I'm an outlier, but I wasn't. Not only did I know plenty of other kids who were fans, but the show sold hugely on video and DVD in that decade, it was popular enough for there still to be toys of it aimed at kids, and in 2002 there was a nationwide poll taken over which old show people would like to see return and DW topped the poll, beating out the likes of Blackadder (that we were always told was more popular) Dad's Army, Fawlty Towers, etc. The majority of the people voting were under 20! Don't get me wrong here I'm not saying that DW was the most popular show in the 90s. I mean it was still a sci fi show, and I'd say the 90s and early 00s was the worst decade for there being a stigma against the genre in the UK. It's funny as in the 60s-80s sci fi was a genre like any other that everyone could enjoy, and was represented on British tv fairly regularly, where as in America it was a more niche thing. However the reverse was true in the 90s. I think much of British culture in the 90s was influenced by Thatchers vile, disgusting every man for himself philosophy, which was obviously further perpetuated by New Labour (arguably more so as they were seen as as the cool Britania mob who had succeeded in shallow materialistic ways, unlike the stuffy old genuine Labour.) That bred a really nasty, selfish, lets get to the top no matter what, no sense of community, lets laugh at people who are different or less well off than us as loser attitude, which was exemplified in panel shows that mocked vulnerable celebs rather than punching up (I won't use Amy again LOL, I'll use others like say Kerry Katona, who was the media's punching bag and who comedians dogpilled on viciously) or the nasty reality tv shows like the X-Factor that actively encouraged the audience to take part in the bullying of contestants like Katie Waissel, again the nerdy, dorky girl who was a bit different. For that reason yes DW did get a hard time from the media in the 90s, simply because it was different and not made for idiots like the X-Factor or 8 out of 10 cats. Again however the media and the morons they do genuinely influence don't represent the majority of people, never mind young people. That's always been the industries problem, it's run by shallow out of touch, upper middle class twonks who think everyone is as shallow as they are. In actual fact I think a lot of young audiences would LOVE to watch something like the War Games. Okay it is tv that's almost 60 years old now, so it is obviously never going to be mainstream, and 10 episodes to be fair is a lot in a oner, but even then, young audiences actually love serialized story telling and being able to binge watch something in a short space of time. That's why boxsets, downloading whole seasons in a day is so popular. Pretty much all the modern shows I've watched this year from Disenchantment to the Umbrella Academy are run in a serialized format are better if binge watched. Five episodes of Umbrella Academy is about as long as the War Games btw. The problem you could say with modern audiences is that we want too much! Not that they want too little. One 25 min episode per week would probably be annoying because the attitude would be "is that it?" I do genuinely think something like Classic Who, that runs in a serialized format updated in practical ways like modern effects and sets would be hugely popular among young people if shown on a streaming service like Netflix. Ironically RTD's shallow 00s celeb obsessed culture, sub Buffy style is seen as old hat these days by young people. (Just to be clear Buffy is still well regarded, but trying to imitate it is seen as the most unoriginal thing you can do as that's the point, it was copied to death in the 00s often in the wrong ways. Often in a "that's real tv because it dealt with teenage issues and people shagging, so the panel show c*nts won't laugh at us if we make it like that". However that mantra has died out except among out of touch gits like RTD) |
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Post by rushy on Nov 20, 2023 13:13:01 GMT
I don't care what Terrance Dicks says, you can't cut a single episode of War Games
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 20, 2023 13:33:13 GMT
I have no idea why RTD went to Oxford when his whole life seems dedicated to pandering to and celebrating dunce cap owners. Sod it: I’m not self-doxxing because I’m no longer there. I went to Oxford. I hated every second of it there; it’s an establishment hotbed full of McCarthyism (Ken Loach is persona non grata in most colleges after a 2021 smear campaign) and condescending drivel. It’s a breeding ground for the Andrew Marrs and David Camerons of the world. My social and academic experience was all around isolating and alienating, the support networks were piss-poor and most student circles- especially in many facets of student journalism- were preoccupied with self-congratulation. And that’s before I get to the truly awful music scene… Davies would have done well there because of his extroverted and inherently pro-establishment nature- as we’ve seen before with his gushing appraisal of media personalities and reality TV. Oxbridge can absolutely cultivate great intellects, but by and large, it primes people for a life of establishment subservience. He would have flourished in the same “kiss-arse” culture endemic to Oxbridge student circles which I found interminably suffocating. Tellingly, Percy Bysshe Shelley became a pariah and was expelled from Oxford before his finals, having attended next to no lectures and becoming politicised instead. Make of that what you will… |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 14:22:17 GMT
I mean to be fair, the likes of Shelley's politics basically laid the foundations for Marxism lol.
I almost went but I was put off when I went to an open day and everyone seemed up themselves and unremarkable. The mock English lecture was a nightmare in particular, the only part I enjoyed was the Old English section hosted by a lovely lady who never mentioned anything political at all. I just rolled my eyes at the guy behind me who said "Wait we have to learn another language?" Tosser.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 20, 2023 14:40:04 GMT
I mean to be fair, the likes of Shelley's politics basically laid the foundations for Marxism lol. He certainly wasn't an establishment pushover, no. However, with this in mind, how can universities be dominated by Marxist professors, as you've alluded to previously? The likes of Alastair Campbell and Keir Starmer of all people are depicted in Oxford student papers as "left". I can't see Shelley doing any better in the institutional landscape I endured for three years, especially when people sympathetic to victims of illegal occupations and basic government welfare abuse (Loach) are smeared as antisemites in coordinated student JCR campaigns, like the horrific one I saw. Incidentally, Delia Derbyshire- someone who deserves a shoutout and arguably more attention on here- went to Cambridge and, according to herself, did badly, despite being an irrefutable pioneer in electronic music. As far as I'm concerned, unmitigated success in Oxford involves being brilliant at conformity. Neither Shelley nor Derbyshire were conformists*. Davies absolutely is. I know who I admire more. *(Of course, one doesn't need to always be 'radical' or unique to be worthy of admiration, but in the context of the Oxbridge scene, it makes one interesting. Especially given the detritus surrounding them.) Did you take the admissions process, or did the open day happen before that? |
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Post by mott1 on Nov 20, 2023 18:54:34 GMT
Rubbish. As a Generation Z student myself, I never had any problem with watching monochrome cinema and TV. Quite the contrary: I watched The War Games multiple times as a 10 year old. As executive producers, these people have no understanding that “children” can’t be categorised into one monolithic block. In doing so, they assume that children are stupid and need material cut down for them. Patronising twats. I've read something similar recently from a fan: "Kids today won't watch plodding black and white stories anymore" How the f*ck do you know? Some kids and young teenagers love the likes of Troughton regardless of what the serials look like. I was utterly enchanted by black and white telly when I was younger. Indeed! It depends on what their experience is when they come across it. I got to love the likes of Citizen Kane, The Hill and The Third Man through just watching BBC2. Younger friends got to enjoy the likes of 12 Angry Men and The Lavender Hill Mob just from association. Maybe they're just scared that the more 'different' it is from Nu Crud the more obvious it'll be that it's way superior, underneath the muffled sound, creaky effects and different filming/acting techniques. |
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Post by iank on Nov 20, 2023 20:55:18 GMT
I couldn't handle the sheer length of that Children In Need sketch. I think they should have cut it down to a photo still. And then burn it. Oddly enough, I can't handle modern TV, because it's utter drivel made by talentless hacktivists. Is someone going to remake them for my sensibilities? Oh no I didn't think so somehow. |
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Post by medicusitic on Nov 20, 2023 21:38:44 GMT
He said "he intends to do as many as possible" which is probably not all of the surviving episodes of the first six seasons. The more concerning part is not just the colourization, but the butchering of the story (cutting over 50% of it). The issue with him and his cronies colorizing and editing these episodes. They are going to take the gaudy look of RTD's New Who and make the story way too fast paced. They are many colourizations on youtube that are sensible and look very good because they look very similar to season 7. The snapshots we have seen so far look like they came out of a video game from 20 years ago.
The Daleks as portrayed in "The Daleks" is very different to RTD's portrayal and are far more nuanced. They dont just yell "EXTERMINATE" and actually act relatively reasonably given their goal is to defeat the Thals. With the dramatic cuts I fear that this nuance will be lost and it will become a generic dalek story.
It would make far more sense to colourize a pure historical or episodes like "The Enemy of the World" which feature costumes and better/more colorful sets than the normal stories. The Aztecs, The Romans, and Reign of Terror would benefit far more from color than the Daleks. I assume these episodes weren't chosen because they were flashy enough for RTD.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 21:48:32 GMT
Did you take the admissions process, or did the open day happen before that? The open day happened before the admissions started yeah. It was what finally dissuaded me from going to instead pursue my ridiculous ambition of being a musician, because I knew I'd just end up wasting 3 years of my life studying miserably for a degree I was never really going to use. There is an allure to Oxford and other such institutions, but that really wears off when you arrive and realise it's just a bunch of timid researchers and other mostly unremarkable people your age who just happened to get good A-level grades. The days when a Tolkien might wander round the corner are long gone, I'm afraid. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 12:41:55 GMT
If this theme isn't in the upcoming colour version we riot.
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