|
|
Post by rushy on Oct 31, 2023 18:38:23 GMT
EXCELLENT
The Ambassadors of Death
The Curse of Peladon
Carnival of Monsters
The Mind of Evil
Frontier in Space
Inferno
FUN
Planet of the Spiders
The Time Warrior
The Green Death
Planet of the Daleks
Invasion of the Dinosaurs
The Time Monster
TOLERABLE
The Mutants
The Sea Devils
Day of the Daleks
The Silurians
Colony in Space
Terror of the Autons
Spearhead from Space
The Claws of Axos
UNBEARABLE
The Daemons
The Monster of Peladon
Death to the Daleks
The Three Doctors
|
|
|
|
Post by burrunjor on Nov 1, 2023 11:25:56 GMT
You guys are insane, completely insane. Death to the Daleks is wonderful, it's got great ideas, set pieces, a swish new look for the Daleks. Why do people hate on it so much? It's at most a fairly average story. The idea that it is worse than 6 part insomnia cures like the Mutants or Invasion of the Dinosaurs is a joke.
Meanwhile whilst I'm sure I've done this before, as I did finish a Pertwee rewatch recently it's fresher in my mind so I'll go.
Classics
Inferno
Silurians
Terror of the Autons
Day of the Daleks
Frontier in Space
Three Doctors
Carnival of Monsters
The Time Warrior
Spearhead from Space
The Daemons
Curse of Peladon
The Green Death
Fun
Planet of the Daleks
Death to the Daleks
The Sea Devils
Claws of Axos
The Ambassadors of Death
The Mind of Evil
Guilty Pleasure
Monster of Peladon
Crap
Colony in Space
The Mutants
The Time Monster
Invasion of the Dinosaurs
Planet of the Spiders.
His best seasons are definitely 7 and 10, where there really isn't a bad story, whilst his worst are 9 and 11 where at least half of his stories are crap.
|
|
|
|
Post by iank on Nov 2, 2023 20:16:17 GMT
lol The idea that Death is better than Dinos is the joke, mate. It's a crock of shit, when you look at it.  |
|
|
|
Post by rushy on Nov 3, 2023 17:04:17 GMT
Death to the Daleks had a fantastic idea in removing their ability to kill and forcing them to cooperate with the human survivors. So of course the Daleks immediately replaced their guns.
That, and it's set in a particularly crappy looking quarry. At least Colony in Space had the Master to spice things up just a little.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2023 17:23:39 GMT
The way I rank basically goes "Would I be embarrassed to show it to a non-fan?"
EXCELLENT
Spearhead from Space
The Daemons
The Green Death
GOOD
Carnival of Monsters
Frontier in Space
The Three Doctors
The Time Warrior
The Claws of Axos
Terror of the Autons
The Silurians
The Mind of Evil
The Time Monster
TOLERABLE
Planet of the Daleks
The Sea Devils
Ambassadors of Death
Colony in Space
CRAP
Day of the Daleks
Inferno
Invasion of the Dinosaurs
The Curse of Peladon
Planet of the Spiders
Death to the Daleks
The Monster of Peladon
The Mutants
|
|
|
|
Post by iank on Nov 3, 2023 21:07:09 GMT
lols at The Time Monster ranking over Day and Inferno.
Oh dear. I think you may have lost all credibility there, Yak...
|
|
|
|
Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 3, 2023 21:52:28 GMT
This requires some explanation. (Ah, whoops! I see Ian’s beaten me to this one!) |
|
|
|
Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 3, 2023 22:04:06 GMT
While I’m at it, here’s my entirely subjective listing, in chronological order:
Excellent
Spearhead from Space.
The Silurians.
The Ambassadors of Death.
Inferno (arguably the most chilling Doctor Who story ever made. The sound design and inexorable tension are unmatched).
Terror of the Autons.
Day of the Daleks.
The Time Warrior.
Competent to highly enjoyable
The Mind of Evil.
The Claws of Axos.
The Daemons.
The Curse of Peladon.
The Sea Devils.
The Three Doctors.
Carnival of Monsters.
Frontier in Space.
Planet of the Daleks.
The Green Death.
Invasion of the Dinosaurs.
Planet of the Spiders.
Lethargic to poor
Colony in Space (solid script, let down by a familiar premise and the Master’s appearance feeling shoehorned).
The Mutants (see above, but with infinitely more awful acting and direction).
The Time Monster (narratively laughable, albeit sometimes amusing).
Death to the Daleks (a very sound premise and a superb opening episode, undermined by an ineffably bland guest cast, awful music and nondescript direction come the latter half).
The Monster of Peladon (alongside the Mutants, arguably the dullest story of the era).
|
|
|
|
Post by Brian MK.II on Mar 4, 2024 7:50:31 GMT
Classics
1: Inferno
2: Spearhead from Space
3: Day of the Daleks
4: The Three Doctors
5: The Ambassadors of Death
6: Carnival of Monsters
7: The Green Death
Great to Good
8: Frontier in Space
9:The Mind of Evil
10: The Silurians
11: The Time Warrior
12: Planet of the Spiders
13: Planet of The Daleks
14: Terror of the Autons
Average
15: The Daemons
16: Curse of Peladon
17: Colony in Space
18:Invasion of the Dinosaurs
Crap
19: Claws of Axos
20: The Sea Devils
21: Monster of Peladon
22: Death to the Daleks
23: The Mutants
24: The Time Monster
|
|
|
|
Post by burrunjor on Mar 4, 2024 9:22:51 GMT
Death to the Daleks had a fantastic idea in removing their ability to kill and forcing them to cooperate with the human survivors. So of course the Daleks immediately replaced their guns. That, and it's set in a particularly crappy looking quarry. At least Colony in Space had the Master to spice things up just a little. LMFAO at the idea that Death being set in a dull quarry would make it worse from a production point of view than Invasion, that has Dinosaurs that were pathetic even by the standards of the 1920s. Here watch this clip from The Lost World of a Tyrannosaurus fighting a Ceratopsian Dinosaur that was released in 1925. Made almost 50 years earlier and is vastly superior to DW's Dinosaurs in every way. Meanwhile the Exillons themselves, the spectacular looking prop for the city, the new and improved colour scheme for the Daleks, the tunnels, the inside sets of the city, the cool effect of the Exillon melting into his chair, the zombies that attack the Daleks, none of those count in its favor? You see that's what frustrates me here. Guys like Iank will just say Death is crap without any reason why, and then praise Invasion despite the ridiculousness of its premise, its characters and well everything? Seriously Death is a turd because it doesn't use the premise of the Daleks not being able to kill, despite devoting a whole episode to it, and still showing them to be vulnerable to the dangers of the planet in a way they wouldn't be otherwise like against the roots, the city, the zombies etc? Invasion meanwhile gets a pass for? Turning Mike into a genocidal maniac, and yes it does. All this he's just misguided is nonsense. He knows that the people he is working for are going to kill every single person in the world and every single person who has ever lived. So what if he thinks he is doing the right thing? So did Hitler! So did Davros! The idea as well that he gets let off with just a quiet retirement is also ridiculous. It also features human beings who can create time travel in the 20th century, which kind of cheapens the idea of it being this special thing that only a few species can create like the Daleks and obviously the Time Lords. What these humans from 20th century earth were more in advance than the Cybermen, or on a level with the Sontarans? Also how did they build it without government funding? We're getting into Rick and Morty level sci fi here. Dragged out to 6 episodes of back and forth in a deserted London with such ridiculous ideas as the Brig thinking the Doctor is a traitor to pad it out. It's preachiness is one of the few times the show reaches Jodie levels, with Jon Pertwee outright lecturing the audience at the end about pollution. Dreadful production values all around, not just the Dinosaurs, rubber sets that bounce and wobble, the awful effect at the end. Lead actors phoning it in, including even Liz Sladen and Jon Pertwee. Sarah's laid back reaction to being told they are going to kill everyone on earth "oooooh that's horrible" always makes me laugh. Honestly I think Invasion of the Dinosaurs praise is just an attempt to save face because it's such an obvious turkey and humiliation that can be used to demonise DW. If someone says DW is crap because of this story, then fans can say "oh no it's actually a deep adventure about pollution and extremism." In truth however, no it was a disaster in every way and fans should just admit it. This story is the Missy of old who, inexplicably popular among sections of fandom despite it being the absolute worst. I'd go as far as to say it's in the bottom 5 stories. It's not quite as atrocious as say The Twin Dilemma, which really is as low as old who got and is worse than anything in new who to be honest until season 8 (with the exception of Love and Monsters.) Still it's among them. |
|
|
|
Post by rushy on Mar 4, 2024 9:30:24 GMT
LMFAO at the idea that Death being set in a dull quarry would make it worse from a production point of view than Invasion, that has Dinosaurs that were pathetic even by the standards of the 1920s. I mean, what makes a story visually interesting is all subjective. I'd rather take crappy special effects in an otherwise spiffy-looking contemporary serial (+ UNIT) than a wet muddy field for several episodes. It's just my preference. The look of Death puts me off. |
|
|
|
Post by Ludders II on Mar 4, 2024 9:35:00 GMT
TOP FAVES
1. Planet of the Spiders
2. The Silurians
3. Spearhead From Space
4. Terror of the Autons
5. Planet of the Daleks
6. Day of the Daleks
7. Invasion of the Dinosaurs
8. The Green Death
9. The Time Warrior
10. Ambassadors of Death
11. Mind of Evil
12. Death to the Daleks
VERY GOOD/ENJOYABLE
13. Frontier in Space
14. The Three Doctors
15. The Daemons
16. Inferno
17. Monster of Peladon
18. The Sea Devils
GOOD/FAIR
19. Colony in Space
20. Curse of Peladon
21. Carnival of Monsters
22. Claws of Axos
NOT BAD
23. The Mutants
MEH
24. The Time Monster
|
|
|
|
Post by burrunjor on Mar 4, 2024 9:43:28 GMT
Apart from Invasion high up, best ranking so far.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ludders II on Mar 4, 2024 9:46:52 GMT
Apart from Invasion high up, best ranking so far. You don't like Planet of the Spiders either do you? |
|
|
|
Post by burrunjor on Mar 4, 2024 9:56:36 GMT
Apart from Invasion high up, best ranking so far. You don't like Planet of the Spiders either do you? Oh yeah, sorry skipped that one. It's awful. Again padded and boring, laughable effects, cheesy in places, uncomfortable moments between Sarah and the Doctor, and an entire episode that's nothing but a chase sequence. It's a real slog. Such a shame about Pertwee's last season. I think you can tell it was time for everybody to move on. Other than Liz Sladen, who obviously is at her peak and really game, everyone that year looks fed up, and even a bit sad after 5 years. Not surprising really given what happened to Delgado the previous year, and Katy leaving too. Really the only good stories that year are The Time Warrior and Death, I think because again they are by people who are a bit more enthusiastic. Terry Nation had just returned after a long hiatus and was re-energised in his love for the Daleks, whilst Bob Holmes was obviously about to reach his peak. |
|
