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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2023 20:17:07 GMT
Although in fairness, if Rushy had been in charge and had got rid of her my many NOFAP journeys might not have been such abysmal failures. Ahem  Yeah, that's true. I do like a bit of Glynis Barber. I find her hot when she looks REALLY 80s like in Stardrive.  |
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Post by rushy on Oct 1, 2023 20:20:34 GMT
I can already imagine JNT and me bitterly fighting over my decision to cast Paul Darrow as the Seventh Doctor
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Post by rushy on Oct 1, 2023 20:22:04 GMT
80s Glynis was quite something  |
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Post by cyberhat on Oct 2, 2023 13:14:27 GMT
They've done about 30 audio series, appeared in dozens of comics, books, video games and yes 4 episodes including the 50th, the most popular episode of the entire 2010s in terms of viewers around the world together, that's why. They are firmly established as a double act in the fans eyes and in universe where they are frequently shown to be best friends whose fathers knew each other. Sure now and again you can have one member of a double act appear on their own, but that's a lot different to replacing one. The expanded universe has no bearing on the main show, unless you want to turn the main show into something unbearably niche. The audios are bonus content, not a feature. As far as the show is concerned, Not on this subject in particular, just a general rule for me. When the main show has been bollocks for decades and the audios produce the occasional gem, that gives the audios more authority. Don't care if nupoo gets 10 trilliion in the ratings, that's still the case. |
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Post by RobFilth on Oct 2, 2023 16:58:17 GMT
The expanded universe has no bearing on the main show, unless you want to turn the main show into something unbearably niche. The audios are bonus content, not a feature. As far as the show is concerned, Not on this subject in particular, just a general rule for me. When the main show has been bollocks for decades and the audios produce the occasional gem, that gives the audios more authority. Don't care if nupoo gets 10 trilliion in the ratings, that's still the case. I agree. Chimes of Midnight, Jubilee and Spare Parts are canon. NuWho shit isn't. It's that simple.  Hell, I'd say Dimensions In Time is more canon than NuWho. In fact, I'd say even A Fix with the Sontarans is more canon too thinking about it... |
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Post by Monster X on Oct 2, 2023 17:54:04 GMT
The expanded universe has no bearing on the main show, unless you want to turn the main show into something unbearably niche. The audios are bonus content, not a feature. As far as the show is concerned, Not on this subject in particular, just a general rule for me. When the main show has been bollocks for decades and the audios produce the occasional gem, that gives the audios more authority. Don't care if nupoo gets 10 trilliion in the ratings, that's still the case. I totally agree but anyway, weren't the audio adventures 'legitimized' when the 8th Doctor named-checked his Big Finish companions in Moffat's 'The Night of The Doctor' ?
"Charley, C'rizz, Lucie, Tamsin, Molly, friends, companions I've known, I salute you". |
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Post by rushy on Oct 2, 2023 17:59:07 GMT
Only in the sense that people with those names exist and the Eighth Doctor met them at some point
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 2, 2023 18:32:33 GMT
Not on this subject in particular, just a general rule for me. When the main show has been bollocks for decades and the audios produce the occasional gem, that gives the audios more authority. Don't care if nupoo gets 10 trilliion in the ratings, that's still the case. I agree. Chimes of Midnight, Jubilee and Spare Parts are canon. NuWho shit isn't. It's that simple. Hell, I'd say Dimensions In Time is more canon than NuWho. In fact, I'd say even A Fix with the Sontarans is more canon too thinking about it... You see this is the part I don't get? Why is Jubilee so highly regarded? It's pretentious, pseudo intellectual bullshit that spends more time in trying to deconstruct DW, make silly stupid little jokes about Dalekmania in the 60s (and not in an affectionate way either, a typical self loathing 90s fanboy, cliquey way.) Than in actually telling a f*cking story. It also has some dreadful ham acting, scenes that are too campy to dark, but too horrible to be funny, like midgets having their legs cut off to make them fit inside toys, the Daleks are both overpowered AND naff in at the same time. Quite a big accomplishment and one Dalek would fittingly manage to. IE both are written by a shallow self loathing 90s fanboy who got mocked by his snobby friends that "oooooooh Daleks are old hat" so he has made them insanely powerful to make them frightening whilst completely losing sight of what actually made them effective villains. Their utter inhumanity and monstrous nature, with both stories having a Dalek find the light and bond with the female companion. I hate it to be honest. I'll admit though I don't like Robert Shearman. He is an arrogant shit. Always sneering at classic who in DW magazine in the 90s and 00s. Even when he complimented it, it would usually be in a backhanded way like his review of Inferno "one of the few times DW is genius, which is often talked about, but rarely shown." He also was one of the most obnoxious c*nts about a female Doctor, and personally (and hilariously) he's blocked me on twitter! I've literally never spoken with him once, but the arrogant twat has blocked me LOL. Still I hated this crap before I even really knew who Shearman was. Meanwhile I don't consider ANYTHING but the original series canon to itself. Again my canon goes like this. Classic Who and ONLY classic who is one universe. Next universe is New Who and all of Big Finish. Obviously events similar to Classic Who happened in this universe but not the classic who we know. Next universe is Cushing Who. Next universe is Shalka universe. Again events similar to classic who happened in this reality too. Next universe is Death Comes to Time. Next universe is 8th Doctor books with the Faction Paradox or whatever. Next universe is Seven Keys to Doomsday. Every other incompatible spin off and fan fic are other universes too. That way Classic Who is safe from any crappy sequel and stands as the work of fiction it should be on its own. Though A Fix with Sontarans and the "Show us your tits and I'll tell you" video don't belong in my multiverse LOL. Oh incidentally I'm happy for Futurama and Lost in Space to be in the same universe as Doctor Who. Futurama had a crossover with both. In one episode we encounter a giant space whale that eats spaceships and their occupants who it keeps alive indefinitely in its stomach to feed on their obsession. It devours the crew, but Leela overruns its will and flies it back to earth and releases everyone it ever ate and among them are the fourth Doctor and the crew of the Jupiter 2. Furthermore the timelines all match up. We never see the 90s in classic who, whilst technology in the 70s in classic who was capable of travelling to other planets like Mars, creating super computers like BOSS, so they could easily have the Jupiter 2 and the Robot by the 90s. Similarly Futurama reveals that at some point after the 20th century earth is invaded by aliens, and DW also has the 31st century as being an incredibly advanced time, and both Futurama and DW portray the space between universes as a white void. Also in terms of tone they all fit together, being crazy sci fi stories with a touch of fantasy. I don't think even if the timelines matched which they don't that DW could ever exist in Star Trek's universe as it's too cartoony. So yeah I'm happy for those three sci fi classics to be canon, but NOT any New Who spin off material LOL. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 2, 2023 18:46:27 GMT
Only in the sense that people with those names exist and the Eighth Doctor met them at some point What a crock. By that logic then when he mentions Jo Grant in Mawdryn Undead, we can't assume it was the same Jo as we don't see her. Maybe the Brig and the Doctor knew a completely different Jo Grant in between Jo and Sarah? The intention was for it to be that, they are the 8th Doctors companions for the audios so yeah that alone makes some spin off material canon. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 2, 2023 19:40:56 GMT
My point is that most people will never listen to the audios, therefore it's crass stupidity to rely on them for continuity or character growth. They can be referenced for fan service and you can introduce characters/ideas from them, but they'll never be relevant to the show.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 2, 2023 19:44:22 GMT
My point is that most people will never listen to the audios, therefore it's crass stupidity to rely on them for continuity or character growth. They can be referenced for fan service and you can introduce characters/ideas from them, but they'll never be relevant to the show. Well crass stupidity does seem to be RTD's forte. |
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Post by iank on Oct 2, 2023 20:39:29 GMT
I do agree that the only true canon is classic. I also agree that if you want to count anything else as canon, you can, but you don't have to (because it's not really).  |
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Post by zarius on Oct 4, 2023 4:32:17 GMT
I like to think McGann's canon is entirely his own
Sylvester remains the last 'canonical' Doctor of Tru Who and is still having adventures with Ace. I even wrote a comic strip where he, Omega and the Daleks all have a hand in creating the timeless child and gives it all of his memories.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 6, 2023 14:30:37 GMT
Russell T Davies, king of PR  |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 6, 2023 14:43:28 GMT
Actually just been told the guy was a genuine right wing crack pot so fair enough. Still even then why is bothering sparring with small fan accounts online?
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