UNIT Spin-Off

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To really break new ground I think they should have a transvestite companion in the form of Hermann Goering.

[burrunjor]

Mar 26, 2023 20:55:49 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I think the new UNIT spin off should have this as its main theme:

So what if it did? It's a great piece of classical music. 

[Bernard Marx]

Mar 26, 2023 20:55:49 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I think the new UNIT spin off should have this as its main theme:

Agreed. They should also use this sequence as their editorial template. It's got the added bonus of featuring a few lefties "eating themselves", and the sequence is satisfactorily redolent of the UNIT action set pieces of old.

[burrunjor]

Sorry to bring this up again, but just something to back up my point that it's a very common point of view among people in the UK that the Nazis were socialists, look at this tweet thread form Stef Colburn, the son of Anthony Colburn. 

It's sad that anyone could think this, but it shows you how far and how deep the anti soviet and anti communist/socialist propaganda in our society goes. History is written by the winners. That's the point though you can't condemn particular individuals who have bought into it. You can absolutely challenge and question their views, but to fix that attitude, you have to try and destroy that kind of myth as a whole. 

It makes me sad that f*cking Enoch Powell of all people was more tolerant of Russia and socialism than most so called left wing politicians of the last 30 years. Powell apparently wanted Russia to be Britain's number 1 ally despite his disdain for communism, because he viewed America as an evil empire that would drag Britain into it's invasions and wars of aggression against smaller countries. 

Sadly he was right! Now don't get me wrong here I am not trying to rehabilitate Enoch Powell who was a racist dick, but that's the point. Tony Blair the leader of the Labour party, the supposed left wing party for the working man, was to the right of f*cking Enoch Powell, the way he jumped into bed with one of the most right wing hawkish, US Presidents and backed his illegal mugging of Iraq. Ironically in that respect we would have been better with Enoch Powell as at least over 1 million Iraqi's would still be alive.

The fact that Tony Blair is seen as the gold standard for Labour party leaders, and is able to prance around like a respected elder statesman, and is knighted, shows how f*cking right wing this country, or should I say England is. Your left wing candidates make Enoch Powell look like a sane alternative. Is it any wonder that Jeremy Corbyn didn't get anywhere? (PS I am not saying that Scotland's politics are great either. We have our own problems, but I do think that England as a whole is a more right wing country, which is part of why I want independence.)

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Apr 10, 2023 10:28:23 GMT burrunjor said:

It's sad that anyone could think this, but it shows you how far and how deep the anti soviet and anti communist/socialist propaganda in our society goes. 

I don't really want to reignite this argument again, but why is that a bad thing? The Soviets were awful. Their empire deserved to die and fall apart. Most socialist countries are awful to live in, let alone communist ones. In terms of plain vileness, Nazism is a grosser doctrine, but communists and neo-Marxists are much more pressing a threat to our society than any 'neo-Nazis' that get conjured up by the media. No one takes Nazis seriously. If they do exist, they're flag-waving weirdoes who occasionally go on 10-person parades around the backstreets of Alabama slums. Meanwhile, there are academics operating in some of the world's top institutions who advocate for Marxism and communism. It's insane to me that the US government even tolerates their existence, let alone their tenure. Socialism is inimical to enterprise, which generates prosperity. It really can be summed up that way. Local, small-business capitalism is the way to go. 

[burrunjor]

Apr 10, 2023 16:18:14 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Apr 10, 2023 10:28:23 GMT burrunjor said:

It's sad that anyone could think this, but it shows you how far and how deep the anti soviet and anti communist/socialist propaganda in our society goes. 

I don't really want to reignite this argument again, but why is that a bad thing? The Soviets were awful. Their empire deserved to die and fall apart. Most socialist countries are awful to live in, let alone communist ones. In terms of plain vileness, Nazism is a grosser doctrine, but communists and neo-Marxists are much more pressing a threat to our society than any 'neo-Nazis' that get conjured up by the media. No one takes Nazis seriously. If they do exist, they're flag-waving weirdoes who occasionally go on 10-person parades around the backstreets of Alabama slums. Meanwhile, there are academics operating in some of the world's top institutions who advocate for Marxism and communism. It's insane to me that the US government even tolerates their existence, let alone their tenure. Socialism is inimical to enterprise, which generates prosperity. It really can be summed up that way. Local, small-business capitalism is the way to go. 

It's absolutely fine if you want to respond. I did bring it up again, and I understand that you may feel I was being condescending to you personally with the whole "he bought into the propaganda", but to be fair I think it would have been more condescending if I'd pretended I agreed with you, as that would be talking down to you like you can't take someone disagreeing with you, and who the f*ck am I to talk down to anyone LOL. 

Nothing wrong with a bit of a political debate as long as it doesn't seep into other threads. Rob might want to split this off into a Nazi thread or something.

Anyway onto your points, I disagree. To start with a lot of socialist countries like Cuba, and Venezuala, have been attacked for years by America, who have imposed inhuman sanctions against them, and tried to topple them, which is what has led to them being impoverished more than anything else. (This was one area where people should have been hard on and condemned Donald Trump, but hilariously enough they didn't.) In many cases they have succeeded such as Salvadore Allende, who was a democratically elected socialist leader, who the Americans killed and replaced with Augusto Pinochet. 

China meanwhile which embraces more of a socialist model, lifts more people out of poverty every year than every other country combined. America in contrast, the biggest capitalist power is basically a failed country at this stage. Also not to sound like Monk, but America is responsible for far more suffering on a global scale than pretty much every socialist country put together. In terms of an evil empire, the Soviets were still in the nursery compared to the yanks. 

Meanwhile a lot of the propaganda about communism killing 150 million people is a straight up lie. That figure was created by an actual Nazi who according to the person who go wrote the book that figure comes from (the black book of communism) was desperate to get to that figure, no matter what.

I'll try and get some articles and vids about the infamous black book of communism, as it is quite an interesting subject. 

Meanwhile capitalism for me is far worse. No political system is perfect it must be said, as after all humans aren't perfect. Still capitalism will always lead to unnecessary expansion, because that's what it's designed for, it has to constantly out do itself. This has led to problems such as imperialism, where capitalism eventually has to expand beyond its home country (it's hilarious that guys like PJW and even Donald Trump think that the likes of Hillary Clinton are Marxists. They and globalism are the end products of capitalism wanting to expand.) The constant need for expansion has also had a devastating effect on our natural resources too, as obviously we don't live on a planet with infinite resources. Furthermore limited resources also means that capitalism will inevitably fall too.

In total through its imperialism, waste of resources and finally the fact that in a capitalist society, human lives aren't valued as much as profits, it's safe to say that capitalism has killed far more people than communism has. 

Also it's a myth that capitalism is just honest businesses. A lot of the time businesses  dominate simply through being more ruthless and cutthroat. Once they are at the top, then they don't have to answer to anyone in a capitalist society either. 

Ironically our society, the UK, only survived after WW2 because it embraced more socialist policies, such as the NHS, safety nets such as the Welfare state, etc. Had it remained completely capitalist it would have collapsed too. I might add that since the Thatcher government when we did start to embrace a more capitalistic model, and constantly tried to undermine the NHS, then poverty and unemployment have skyrocketed. 

To me I favour I guess you could say more of a mixed model leaning towards a socialist, IE safety nets such as the NHS and welfare state, and resources such as gas, electricity, the roads and the railway NOT being privately owned. These things should belong to the people they are for, rather than a cut throat business man who can just crush his opposition. 

That said however I don't believe the media should be owned by the government, or indeed independent businesses like corner shops or resturants. I agree that does limit people's power, but even then it's a bit of a myth that socialism is all about handing over power to the government. 

What I'm describing is basically the economic model we had in the 50s, 60s and 70s before Thatcher which worked. 

[burrunjor]

Sorry just further proof about my point, take a look at this article. Jeremy Corbyn is literally the most smeared politician in recent memory. 

Funny thing is, he wasn't even an extremist. When you look at his manifesto, it was basically what I was describing. I know Corbyn could be a bit of an arse when it came to some of the performative woke stuff, like at Glastonbury, but overall his manifesto was actually a fair, mixed economy model, but he was treated like a Bolshy revolutionary. 

What else do you expect from the media of a country where it's official left, Tony Blair, is to the right of Enoch Powell however. Like I said, England to me is an extremely right wing country. Don't worry I'm not doing the usual cliche of Scotsman hating the English LOL. Anyone who knows me knows I LOVE the English and their culture, their music and their women in particular. However it's true that politically it's a country that leans more to the right. Scotland meanwhile leans more to the left, which has led to some problems in our country too. For instance we've embraced the SJW crap a lot more, like  getting Count Dankula fined over making a stupid joke, or hey I got fired from Big Glasgow Comic Con for defending Gina Carano. I was told I was deeply upsetting the Jewish people there by defending a known and proven anti semite! (They also destroyed several articles I spent ages writing for them too.)

In both cases it's a kind of tribalism that has affected the population IMO and culturally both countries need to get out of that mindset, but sadly for now it appears we're stuck. Still right now given how things like the NHS are under attack, I'd rather live in Scotland. I have to watch my back, but at least there is potentially a reliable safety net if we go independent.

[Bernard Marx]

Apr 10, 2023 10:28:23 GMT burrunjor said:

Sorry to bring this up again, but just something to back up my point that it's a very common point of view among people in the UK that the Nazis were socialists, look at this tweet thread form Stef Colburn, the son of Anthony Colburn.

Stef Coburn has likened the NHS to the Holocaust and regularly retweeted Britain First. I'm personally unsure if these constitute as 'common' views. 

Apr 10, 2023 10:28:23 GMT burrunjor said:

The fact that Tony Blair is seen as the gold standard for Labour party leaders, and is able to prance around like a respected elder statesman, and is knighted, shows how f*cking right wing this country, or should I say England is.

Tony Blair is beloved by the Oxbridge establishment political class- primarily the BBC and Guardian. This class consists of a very small (albeit very powerful) percentage of the population:They are the reason Blair is still respected in the media, not the general population. Blair is widely disliked by those outside said class; his approval ratings post 2003 have been universally dire.

Most people in the UK, whether they identify as left-wing, right-wing or neither, have very little time for him. Even The New Statesman, a paragon of establishment UK liberalism which scorns the anti-establishment left, commented on the adverse reaction to his knighthood. A reaction measured by YouGov, co-founded by Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi:

But 14 years since he left office, public opinion is uncharacteristically resentful of this former leader. Normally, the more time passes, the more nostalgic, wistful and forgiving the public tends to be of past incumbents. But in Blair’s case, nothing could be further from the truth. Here’s a man who, to this day, not only divides voters but actively antagonises them.

A snap poll by YouGov found that just 14 per cent of voters approved of Blair’s knighthood, while 63 per cent opposed it, including 56 per cent of Labour voters and 55 per cent of those who voted Remain in the 2016 EU referendum.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/polling/2022/01/how-unpopular-is-tony-blair

Apr 10, 2023 10:28:23 GMT burrunjor said:

Is it any wonder that Jeremy Corbyn didn't get anywhere? (PS I am not saying that Scotland's politics are great either. We have our own problems, but I do think that England as a whole is a more right wing country, which is part of why I want independence.)

Corbyn has been lambasted by the press and is therefore a nationwide pariah today, but singling out England is something of a red herring.

He achieved 11.39 million votes in England in 2017. That’s more English votes than Tony Blair in his prime and England's highest raw Labour vote since Attlee. This isn’t attributable to population growth either; Blair saw the UK electorate shrink dramatically from 2001 to 2015.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_England

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_England

Blair in 1997 (England only): 11,347,882

Corbyn in 2017 (England only): 11,390,099

These figures only take England into account and discard Scotland and Wales. Yes, England is Conservative overall and the Corbyn project was scuppered two years later- and England's journalism is virulently right-wing- but contrary to what the Labour Right and UK media consensus insist, people can be receptive to alternative visions.

[burrunjor]

Well I don;t know if you got my message Bernard but I unfollowed Stef Colburn recently. I think I have proven that I don't make knee jerk reactions to people being conservative and I am willing to talk things over and accept that some people have been mislead or are mistaken from both sides, IE there are some sjw friends of mine who come out with shit like "Assange is a trump supporting rapist." Colburn however was too far.

I quarrelled with him about his NHS posts, but what really made me turn against him were his posts about homosexuals. He went on about how gay people are disgusting because they take it in the arse, a place designed to get rid of toxic waste, and how any human being could stick their dick up there makes him to want to vomit. It was really revolting stuff, and I just thought, okay that's it, no getting through to this one. 

(PS someone better tell him that heterosexual sexual organs are also used to get rid of toxic waste from the body too. I know it's a different tube for urine, but still it's in the general area.) In that respect all sex is gross. In fact if you stopped and thought about it, kissing is kind of disgusting, mashing things you eat with, that are full of saliva together. His mad homophobia has kind of put me off sex in general for a while LOL>)

[burrunjor]

Oh btw did you guys see Mark Hamill's latest? He did a zoom call with a Ukrainian Nazi, who had a Nazi flag in the background. It's a more obscure Nazi flag than the swaztika, so Hamill didn't know, but needless to say he has become a complete laughing stock online and deservedly so. It's such a shame Mark Hamill was by far my favourite Joker and one of my fave actors of all time, you've all seen my posts praising him, but honestly this is a potentially career ending f*ck up.

Just goes to show what I said though. People really are ignorant of the true facts about WW2 and sometimes you have to accept that, before assuming someone is a Nazi. Again doesn't mean you can't correct them, and that we shouldn't have more widespread knowledge about it, but face facts we live in a society where surprisingly, despite being shaped by WW2, not nearly enough is known about it.

I do think Hamill is in a league of his own when it comes to stupidity on this. To think Gina Carano was called a Nazi for comparing people she didn't like to Nazis. Mark Hamill does video chats with ACTUAL Nazis who have ACTUAL Nazi flags and........? Well to be fair like I said he has been getting chewed a new one, but I doubt Disney will do anything.

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Apr 16, 2023 21:27:06 GMT burrunjor said:

Oh btw did you guys see Mark Hamill's latest? He did a zoom call with a Ukrainian Nazi, who had a Nazi flag in the background. It's a more obscure Nazi flag than the swaztika, so Hamill didn't know, but needless to say he has become a complete laughing stock online and deservedly so. It's such a shame Mark Hamill was by far my favourite Joker and one of my fave actors of all time, you've all seen my posts praising him, but honestly this is a potentially career ending f*ck up.

Just goes to show what I said though. People really are ignorant of the true facts about WW2 and sometimes you have to accept that, before assuming someone is a Nazi. Again doesn't mean you can't correct them, and that we shouldn't have more widespread knowledge about it, but face facts we live in a society where surprisingly, despite being shaped by WW2, not nearly enough is known about it.

I do think Hamill is in a league of his own when it comes to stupidity on this. To think Gina Carano was called a Nazi for comparing people she didn't like to Nazis. Mark Hamill does video chats with ACTUAL Nazis who have ACTUAL Nazi flags and........? Well to be fair like I said he has been getting chewed a new one, but I doubt Disney will do anything.

Good thing he didn't do a zoom call with me. I've got a framed picture of Isle Koch on my wall.

[burrunjor]

Mark Hamill tsk, tsk, tsk for shame!




I hope that this utter humiliation convinces celebs to steer away from politics. 

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Ukraine was first established as a sovereign state by the Germans in 1918, and once again in 1941 by the Nazis following the invasion of the USSR. Ukrainians were frequently employed in concentration camps and, along with their Romanian allies, helped establish Axis rule near the Black Sea. There is an historic affiliation for sure.

[burrunjor]

Apr 17, 2023 15:44:12 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Ukraine was first established as a sovereign state by the Germans in 1918, and once again in 1941 by the Nazis following the invasion of the USSR. Ukrainians were frequently employed in concentration camps and, along with their Romanian allies, helped establish Axis rule near the Black Sea. There is an historic affiliation for sure.

When a country has Stepan Bandera as a national hero and wants to name streets after him, you know it has a serious problem with Nazis. 

[RobFilth]

Apr 10, 2023 16:18:14 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Apr 10, 2023 10:28:23 GMT burrunjor said:

It's sad that anyone could think this, but it shows you how far and how deep the anti soviet and anti communist/socialist propaganda in our society goes. 

I don't really want to reignite this argument again, but why is that a bad thing? The Soviets were awful. Their empire deserved to die and fall apart. Most socialist countries are awful to live in, let alone communist ones.

Yes, Soviet style Communism failed because it was autocratic and stateist. Chinese Communism basically failed because of stifling and ludicrously extreme bureaucracy.

Having said that, the Soviets goal was to eliminate poverty/starvation rather than punch downwards as the Tsarist feudal system did. It did ensure everyone had somewhere to live and certain social protections which were of benefit to the most, even if they were oppressed by authoritarian statism at the same time.

Of course it all really went to shit under Stalin, but it could be argued that Stalins brand of authoritarian dictatorship was far removed from the initial goals of Marxism.

Apr 10, 2023 16:18:14 GMT @theyakemperor said:

In terms of plain vileness, Nazism is a grosser doctrine, but communists and neo-Marxists are much more pressing a threat to our society than any 'neo-Nazis' that get conjured up by the media. No one takes Nazis seriously.

and that is precisely the problem.

For a severe Social Darwinist theology whereby anyone deemed weak, genetically inferior or of no value to society gets eliminated, and for one which is inherently aggressive and war like in nature via uber-nationalism, it presents a far greater danger to world peace.

When has Cuba ever invaded or shown hostilities to other countries?

Apr 10, 2023 16:18:14 GMT @theyakemperor said:

If they do exist, they're flag-waving weirdoes who occasionally go on 10-person parades around the backstreets of Alabama slums.

The far-right are bigger than just some fringe cranks. Most of their politics has a confirmation bias nurtered within our mainstream tabloid media.

Apr 10, 2023 16:18:14 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Meanwhile, there are academics operating in some of the world's top institutions who advocate for Marxism and communism. It's insane to me that the US government even tolerates their existence, let alone their tenure. Socialism is inimical to enterprise, which generates prosperity. It really can be summed up that way. Local, small-business capitalism is the way to go. 

I think you over-estimate the influence of academia. In comparison to corporate and state media which encourage a dumbing down within culture, academia holds very little influence amongst the mass majority. In fact academia is often shunned and seen as archaic and an irrelevance throughout mainstream thought.

I think you're also confusing democratic socialism with communism too. Communism holds and controls ALL State assets and markets, even down to food production, whereas Democratic Socialism allows for small enterprise and markets albeit with some regulation so that competition is not unfairly dominated or abused by big capital interests. It is only generally Public Services or assets which are state run/nationalised with Democratic Socialism.

Democratic Socialism is basically a mix of the state protections of Communism with a mix of competitive private enterprise when it comes to luxury goods, food and other consumarables, and more open to regular review and scrutiny than Communism.