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Post by rushy on Mar 23, 2023 17:05:04 GMT
no one on this site, myself included, has half the wits or knowledge necessary to debate the Holocaust
that's all I'll say on the matter. Just let it go, all of you, for f*ck's sake. It's a Doctor Who forum last I checked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 17:12:55 GMT
no one on this site, myself included, has half the wits or knowledge necessary to debate the Holocaust that's all I'll say on the matter. Just let it go, all of you, for f*ck's sake. It's a Doctor Who forum last I checked. It's actually a masturbation forum where we discuss Doctor Who a lot. |
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 23, 2023 20:33:08 GMT
So we're all agreed then.
The UNIT spin off should feature during the Holocaust?
Maybe they could reveal the Master as being the one behind the Final Solution?(He's using a Kamelion version of Hitler)
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Post by mott1 on Mar 24, 2023 10:56:56 GMT
So we're all agreed then. The UNIT spin off should feature during the Holocaust? Maybe they could reveal the Master as being the one behind the Final Solution?(He's using a Kamelion version of Hitler) Or Goebbels turning out to be the Valeyard!? Somehow I doubt RTD has the balls to do something like that (mind you, nor did Hitler reputedly!) |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 24, 2023 11:14:17 GMT
So we're all agreed then. The UNIT spin off should feature during the Holocaust? Maybe they could reveal the Master as being the one behind the Final Solution?(He's using a Kamelion version of Hitler) Or Goebbels turning out to be the Valeyard!? Somehow I doubt RTD has the balls to do something like that (mind you, nor did Hitler reputedly!) The best was still Jodie Whittaker's Doctor getting the Nazis to attack Sacha Dhawan's Master because he was brown. I'm not joking that's how she beat him. Yep Jodie's doctor, a pillar of accepting people for how they are, who Mr Tardis said was special because she was kind, she set the genocidal, racial supremacist dogs on a Pakistani man. Mind you at least she didn't smear someone as a pedo like Mr Tardis does, so she might have him beat in the kindness department. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 13:46:37 GMT
no one on this site, myself included, has half the wits or knowledge necessary to debate the Holocaust that's all I'll say on the matter. Just let it go, all of you, for f*ck's sake. It's a Doctor Who forum last I checked. Hear hear |
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 25, 2023 15:17:17 GMT
no one on this site, myself included, has half the wits or knowledge necessary to debate the Holocaust I hate to be contrary but I swotted up for two years in Holocaust Studies and got my grade in it. Everything from the world politics of the era, to the rise of power and propaganda techniques of the nazis to subjugate an entire nation into persecuting any racial, social or bodily deviation from the ideal, to the philosophies of Social Darwinism which inspired the nazis etc etc. The Extermination camps are in fact a very small bit at the end, it's the moods and policies which led toward those shocking atrocities which is so darn important. Lessons which I sadly don't think have been learnt when I glance the headlines of most tabloid newspapers in shops or switch on tv and watch the faux outrage manipulated amongst the Gammonarti on "Question Time". The true horror I experienced whilst learning about such a relatively close period of history was the realisation of "If they can do that once, they can do it again", and that still rings true today. It's why I became an anarchist with a huge distrust of those in power. |
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Post by rushy on Mar 25, 2023 20:08:10 GMT
What a morbid subject to focus on. I don't particularly trust anyone who gets too caught up on one idea or point of view. People in or out of power.
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 25, 2023 21:43:53 GMT
What a morbid subject to focus on. I don't particularly trust anyone who gets too caught up on one idea or point of view. People in or out of power. It was a study for a history certificate rather than a moross obsessional. People in power are far, far, far more dangerous than those not in power irrespective of ideology because of the terrifying influence they wield. In that regard, they are not trustworthy at all because they literally have the power of life and death over everyone. I couldn't care less if some people have batshit views so long as they have no influence over others with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 13:58:04 GMT
"PS are you going to come down hard on Maxil? He hated Jeremy Corbyn and by his own admission thought that Bo Jo would have been a good prime minister back in 2019. I'm sorry to drag Maxil into this, but he did admit to it on my Steve Coogan thread, saying he hated Coogan for smearing all Tories as being the same, showing his support for them, so it's not like this is a private thing." I only voted for the conversatives once and I've always expressed regret for doing it. I only hated Corbyn because I was led to believe that he antisemitic. I also watched a lot of ring wing YouTubers at the time which swayed my opinion. I haved voted for the Liberal Democrats since then as I have cut out bullshit right wing conspiracy theorists from my life and have learned to think for myself. I wasn't trashing you Maxil don't worry. Again people's politics can be compromised for all sorts of reasons. Obviously yes if there is someone here spouting the types of things that Barlow was about grooming gang victims deserving it, white people being superior to black people, then that's f*cked up, and I did call Barlow out, in fact I even left the Hive when he was part of it as I didn't want to be associated with him, However maybe not having all the facts about socialism or history, or being swayed by mainstream propaganda because they don't have as much of an interest in politics can and does happen to decent people who are well informed in other areas. I myself have been swayed in the past by certain things so I don't throw stones. Sir Christopher Lee was an old tory right to the end. I'll be honest, one thing I DO regret was sharing the fan art of Missy and Jodie. I was only doing it to show how ridiculous the idea that those characters were now inspiring lesbian porn was, but looking back, it looks like I was mocking those drawings which was a shitty thing to do the fan girls who drew them, having their drawings posted over some site. Only good thing is nobody read our site LOL, apart from Omie. Point I was making about Yak Emperor though was you can't lump them everyone who is ignorant of certain facts together. It's bad to not know enough to not know that the Nazis weren't socialists, but that's not the same as thinking Hitler was a great guy. My politics from 2019 are completely irrelevant to the discussion. Even if I was on the right in the past, I never tried to revise a major historical tragedy by claiming Hitler was left wing and that the holocaust was simply " the left eating their own." |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 26, 2023 20:02:40 GMT
I wasn't trashing you Maxil don't worry. Again people's politics can be compromised for all sorts of reasons. Obviously yes if there is someone here spouting the types of things that Barlow was about grooming gang victims deserving it, white people being superior to black people, then that's f*cked up, and I did call Barlow out, in fact I even left the Hive when he was part of it as I didn't want to be associated with him, However maybe not having all the facts about socialism or history, or being swayed by mainstream propaganda because they don't have as much of an interest in politics can and does happen to decent people who are well informed in other areas. I myself have been swayed in the past by certain things so I don't throw stones. Sir Christopher Lee was an old tory right to the end. I'll be honest, one thing I DO regret was sharing the fan art of Missy and Jodie. I was only doing it to show how ridiculous the idea that those characters were now inspiring lesbian porn was, but looking back, it looks like I was mocking those drawings which was a shitty thing to do the fan girls who drew them, having their drawings posted over some site. Only good thing is nobody read our site LOL, apart from Omie. Point I was making about Yak Emperor though was you can't lump them everyone who is ignorant of certain facts together. It's bad to not know enough to not know that the Nazis weren't socialists, but that's not the same as thinking Hitler was a great guy. My politics from 2019 are completely irrelevant to the discussion. Even if I was on the right in the past, I never tried to revise a major historical tragedy by claiming Hitler was left wing and that the holocaust was simply " the left eating their own." It was relevant to the point that Uncle Deadly was raising about how I should stand up to Yak Emperor and not coddle him because his views are so right wing. I was pointing out that you supported Boris Johnson who at one point absolutely tried to push the idea that socialism=fascism. That's all we heard from his supporters and the media, that democracy had been saved now that Castro, Hugo Chavez loving Corbyn was out the door. My point was that lots of people think that about socialism in the uk, and that lot's of people support politicians who think that, so with this in mind it's not so surprising that some people would think Hitler, the most famous fascist of the 20th century was more in line with socialism. Again it's a wrong opinion and you absolutely can debate it and debunk the myths about socialism and communism that are common place, like the black book of communisms false figure that 120 million people died as a result of communism, but you don't have to shit on everyone who has bought into the propaganda like Yak Emperor, and I was pointing out to Uncle Deadly that at one point you had right wing beliefs and supported people with similar beliefs about socialism (even if you didn't support those beliefs yourself) and I didn't come down hard on you either for them, so I am being consistent here in my treatment of Yak Emperor. I don't want to get dragged into this argument again though. I think Rushy was right in what he said. Though BTW Rushy I do have a History Degree. I don't like saying that as it sounds like Mike and his PHD supervisor LOl, but just the record I do have some knowledge, but it's safe to say that this thread has been a bit derailed. . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 20:52:07 GMT
So we're all agreed then. The UNIT spin off should feature during the Holocaust? Maybe they could reveal the Master as being the one behind the Final Solution?(He's using a Kamelion version of Hitler) Or Goebbels turning out to be the Valeyard!? Somehow I doubt RTD has the balls to do something like that (mind you, nor did Hitler reputedly!) I reckon Eva Braun should be the next companion. Perhaps RTD could write an episode where the Berghof comes under attack from an alien race? If Eva is a bit too controversial for modern audiences maybe they could go with Ilse Koch instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 20:55:49 GMT
I think the new UNIT spin off should have this as its main theme:
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Post by Spark Doll King on Mar 26, 2023 21:07:57 GMT
I've got a feeling that the UNIT spin-off will not be even 10% as intreasting as this thread has been, as off topic and heated as it's gotten.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Mar 26, 2023 21:23:24 GMT
Or Goebbels turning out to be the Valeyard!? Somehow I doubt RTD has the balls to do something like that (mind you, nor did Hitler reputedly!) I reckon Eva Braun should be the next companion. Perhaps RTD could write an episode where the Berghof comes under attack from an alien race? If Eva is a bit too controversial for modern audiences maybe they could go with Ilse Koch instead. No need for controversy. If either Braun or Koch begin to question the inherent immorality behind eugenics during their travels with the Doctor, he can simply placate them on the grounds that the left naturally and inevitably “eat their own”. No moral quandary there, surely?! |
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