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Post by Bernard Marx on Feb 19, 2023 12:35:08 GMT
I like the Chase just because it's utterly mental, fun and littered with mistakes. I always take note of that part in Episode 4 where the Doctor and Ian first discover Frankenstein's monster- there's a Dalek perched in the archway behind them which clearly isn't supposed to be there. When the Dalek later reveals itself to the two of them and comes out with the almost postmodern self-referential statement "Do not move! I am a Dalek!", my immediate thought is always "He was right in front of you this whole time, for f*ck's sake!".  |
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Post by RobFilth on Feb 19, 2023 14:27:15 GMT
The Chase is a frickin classic.
It's as funny as feck.
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Post by mott1 on Feb 20, 2023 14:49:17 GMT
The Two Doctors has some great stuff in it, despite general disdain from the critics. Sixie looks relaxed in the Spanish atmosphere (and different outfit), the dialogue is as blackly funny as the best of that era and Pat/Jamie/Shockeye are excellent.
Just a shane about the Sontarans - they're made out to be so crap they almost seem to be a Buffy-esque parody monster.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Feb 20, 2023 16:24:21 GMT
Resurrection of the Dalek. The story has to many moving pieces and the Daleks don’t get the great return that’s promised, but I still found it very enjoyable and loved the Doctor’s character during this story.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Feb 20, 2023 18:15:20 GMT
The Two Doctors has some great stuff in it, despite general disdain from the critics. Sixie looks relaxed in the Spanish atmosphere (and different outfit), the dialogue is as blackly funny as the best of that era and Pat/Jamie/Shockeye are excellent. Just a shane about the Sontarans - they're made out to be so crap they almost seem to be a Buffy-esque parody monster. What critcs? Twats on gallifrey base and decrees sent down by the Church of Fitzroy? I'm still waiting to hear Leslie Halliwell's opinion on this one... |
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Post by RobFilth on Feb 20, 2023 19:00:31 GMT
The Two Doctors has some great stuff in it, despite general disdain from the critics. Sixie looks relaxed in the Spanish atmosphere (and different outfit), the dialogue is as blackly funny as the best of that era and Pat/Jamie/Shockeye are excellent. Just a shane about the Sontarans - they're made out to be so crap they almost seem to be a Buffy-esque parody monster. I like that bit where that annoying bumbling idiot Oscar gets stabbed by Shockeye. He well deserves it and has it coming, the dirty moth genocidal letch. It should have been a lot more violent though and gone on for longer. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Feb 20, 2023 20:38:53 GMT
The Two Doctors has some great stuff in it, despite general disdain from the critics. Sixie looks relaxed in the Spanish atmosphere (and different outfit), the dialogue is as blackly funny as the best of that era and Pat/Jamie/Shockeye are excellent. Just a shane about the Sontarans - they're made out to be so crap they almost seem to be a Buffy-esque parody monster. I like that bit where that annoying bumbling idiot Oscar gets stabbed by Shockeye. He well deserves it and has it coming, the dirty moth genocidal letch. It should have been a lot more violent though and gone on for longer. I saw The Two Doctors at a university screening last year- the reaction to Oscar’s death was hilarious. Loads of people laughed their heads off whilst looking mildly uncomfortable. In fact, that entire final episode got loads of laughs from the audience (Sontarans exploding into bits, Troughton and Shockeye eating everything in sight, Colin desperate to eat a cat, Colin and Troughton “snapping” at the wrong time), most of whom weren’t even too familiar with the classic series. As for those critics who hated the story- the newcomers at the aforementioned screening really enjoyed it. Some of the hardline Doctor Who fans there often made jovial remarks about Colin Baker not “mellowing” enough, although given that this talking point is mostly confined to fandom (who presume that it’s a talking point held by the general public), it went over the heads of most people in the room. It’s not my favourite of season 22, but it deserves broader appreciation than it gets. The other two multi-Doctor stories are infinitely more nostalgic and maybe easier to revisit, but I think this one holds up best as a stand-alone narrative (and with irrefutably the best dialogue). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 21:55:07 GMT
The Two Doctors is awesome. I could list a thousand reasons why it's good but I'll just post a production still of Nicola Bryant instead.  |
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Post by RobFilth on Feb 21, 2023 1:37:43 GMT
I think the death of Oscar could have only been improved by Shockeye repeatedly stabbing him in a more frenzied attack, so that all the spurting blood splatters in all the faces of the disgusted diners in a Mr Creosote buckets-thrown type fashion, and we're left with the scene of Shockeye gnawing on his dismembered arm and burping loudly whilst Anita vomits and blubs pathetically with a string of sausages wrapped around her neck like a sort of gruesome intestinal tract scarf.
The Doctor could then make his shit eulogy, "Good night sweet prince"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 10:07:08 GMT
I found it quite strange how everyone in the restaurant seems to go on about their business after Oscar is killed.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Feb 21, 2023 10:18:12 GMT
I think the death of Oscar could have only been improved by Shockeye repeatedly stabbing him in a more frenzied attack, so that all the spurting blood splatters in all the faces of the disgusted diners in a Mr Creosote buckets-thrown type fashion, and we're left with the scene of Shockeye gnawing on his dismembered arm and burping loudly whilst Anita vomits and blubs pathetically with a string of sausages wrapped around her neck like a sort of gruesome intestinal tract scarf. The Doctor could then make his shit eulogy, "Good night sweet prince" I would agree with this, but the Doctor's lack of involvement is an issue. He should be more proactive and fit for purpose So, personally, i would like to see him take a more pivotal role in the stabbing scene, say knifing Oscar about 30 times, laughing maniacally, then standing back with blood up to his elbows to proclaim that "There should have been another way..." This way we get a decisive, non-pacifistic Doctor who isn't sidelined along with a nostalgic continuity-callback to a much-loved story from the previous season. Truly a "punch the air" moment... |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Feb 21, 2023 10:44:33 GMT
I found it quite strange how everyone in the restaurant seems to go on about their business after Oscar is killed. It reminds me of the Cantina incidents in Star Wars. Someone gets amputated or shot dead, and all you need to do to placate the customers and bar owners is say “Sorry about the mess!”. |
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Post by RobFilth on Feb 21, 2023 10:45:48 GMT
I found it quite strange how everyone in the restaurant seems to go on about their business after Oscar is killed. They were probably quite pleased that they could then eat their meals in peace without some simpering oaf prancing his way around the place spouting his prententious drivel. I expect they all passed around the hat afterwards to pay for Shockeye and Troughtons bill in gratitude. |
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Post by rushy on Feb 21, 2023 16:09:37 GMT
the only thing I really enjoy about Two Doctors is Troughton and Frazer's chemistry. They're both absolutely on fire and it's kind of embarrassing to return to Colin and Nicola's tiresome bickering after their scenes.
Frazer was right in that he should've been re-added to the TARDIS team. I think Jamie would've been a solid filter between Six and Peri. He could deal with the Doctor's attitude and also be a comforting presence for the latter.
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Post by RobFilth on Feb 21, 2023 16:38:25 GMT
the only thing I really enjoy about Two Doctors is Troughton and Frazer's chemistry. They're both absolutely on fire and it's kind of embarrassing to return to Colin and Nicola's tiresome bickering after their scenes. Frazer was right in that he should've been re-added to the TARDIS team. I think Jamie would've been a solid filter between Six and Peri. He could deal with the Doctor's attitude and also be a comforting presence for the latter. Do they bicker that much? I always figured that by The Two Doctors their relationship was settling down after the initial bombastic mania and after-effects of the 6th Doctors regeneration? The bickering bizarrely and inexplicably makes a come back at the tail end of "Timelash" however when Saward was padding out the TARDIS scenes, but from around Vengeance on Varos onwards, the relationship seems more relaxed and jovail once Peri gets accustomed to the 6th Doctors spikey bombast. Jamie rejoining the TARDIS team is an interesting proposition however. I always thought it more strange in The Two Doctors how The 2nd Doctor and Jamies relationship seems more spikey and antagonistic than usual. ("If you will persist in talking in that mongrol dialect" etc) |
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