The Slug Of Swansea! (Series 14 Filming)

[burrunjor]

Feb 16, 2023 15:38:33 GMT RobFilth said:

There's a difference between exposure and shitting on peoples heads who have paid money to see you however.

One is intimidatory and the other outright abuse and assault.

If I'd have been in that audience being excreted upon all over, I'd have probably punched Barrowman in the head and subsequently been arrested.

I can't imagine anyone being shat on would just casually pass it off as being prankish schoolyard horseplay, particularly when the disgusting oaf who did it brags about it afterwards to every shockjock and media hack which will listen to his lewd boasts.

Or indeed defiling peoples property or food.

I can imagine many of Barrowmans victims being scarred for life by the harrowing experience.

Some of them quite probably needing counselling for years afterwards in order to recover.

Some of them quite possibly never have, even to this day.

Why don't we ever consider the victims?

I know you're just trolling, but to be fair the shitting on incident was a complete accident. He didn't mean to do that. Hugh Jackman had a similar incident where he pissed himself on stage. 

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 15:46:01 GMT burrunjor said:

but to be fair the shitting on incident was a complete accident. He didn't mean to do that. Hugh Jackman had a similar incident where he pissed himself on stage. 

If it were really as innocent as Barrowman claims, then why did he brag about it afterwards for the lolz?

If he can't control his anus, then he should wear a buttplug or something.

[Bernard Marx]

Feb 16, 2023 15:28:47 GMT burrunjor said:

For the record I think that Barrowman's behaviour was stupid, and one of the reasons I hate practical jokes of any kind, is that they can veer into bullying, in that if you don't like them, you get seen as a stick in the mud with no sense of humour rather than the person doing them understanding "respect my privacy, I'm not in the mood." So even if you are sensitive, or shy, you have to get roped into these awful situations and competitions and feel nervous that someone could be pranking you. 

Yes, and this is what happened with Barrowman, as the post above the one you've quoted cites. Production staff felt uncomfortable and didn't feel obliged to mention it because of production hierarchies. That's what I take issue with in particular.

With this in mind, yes Barrowman's antics around the set were obnoxious, but again I do ask, how are they any different to the types of things lots of actors do on set? Like I said Pat Troughton pulled Wendy Padbury's skirt down as a joke. Colin bit someone on the arse. Go on try and bite someone on the bum at work, see how they take it.

I'm not saying that such a thing wouldn't be seen as bloody dodgy at work. It absolutely would. The distinction I made in the post you quoted is that penile humour of the type Barrowman specifically indulges in is more unsettling (at least to me), as is shitting on an unsuspecting audience*. Those examples are crass, but Barrowman's almost always involve his genitals. Why his penis in particular? Why not other means? Are we seriously supposed to believe he didn't have ulterior sexual motives for it, given how often he placed it on objects and people?

*I just saw one of your later posts. I'll accept that it was an accident, but given that he hasn't apologised or recognised the possible impact left on his audience (to my knowledge), I'm still reticent to defend him on this.

Also again look at Kathryn Drysdale's account of working with Will Mellor. BTW she is one of his best friends, and has singled him out as the nicest guy she worked with, but still look at this. 

OK, so you play a cool character in the series but what is it really like working behind the scenes with the hunkey will mellor? (Question from: Leona in the UK)
Cool? Louise?! ...Working with Will is an absolute joy. He's always showing us his willy. He put it on my shoulder once when we were rehearsing. Seriously, when I first got this job, I was really shy and the cast was already acquainted in one way or another. But Will made me feel welcome. He's a gem.

EXACTLY what Barrowman did.

I wouldn't personally approve of that either- I find it sinister as hell- although I don't know much about Will Mellor and have seen next to nothing he's in, so I'm probably not liable to comment.

Also look at this story about Hugh Jackman from the set of X2. 

Hugh was genuinely naked when he filmed one of the scenes in X2: X-Men United so the crew decided to play a little prank on him. He ran down the hall and turned a corner only to find the entire female cast and crew present (and James Marsden's mum) to make catcalls and moon over his naked body while they waved money at him.

Like I said in my last post, I don't take an issue with mooning, and Jackman, to my knowledge, never placed his genitals on their bodies or on furniture and was naked during the shoot courtesy of filming flashback scenes (where Wolverine is experimented upon). No one felt uncomfortable (like "Monica" did), and Jackman was the one being pranked anyway.

Again I feel like the invisible man here? I keep bringing up all these other accounts of actors doing pretty much the same, if not worse things than Barrowman yet nobody acknowledges them. They still just say "go do what Barrowman does to someone in the street". Why can't people just accept it's as I have said dozens of times, that acting is a different environment where they see each other naked a lot, get very cosy around each other, and therefore joke around in ways you couldn't in other work environments? 

Because I distinguish between pranks which don't involve genital or faecal intimidation and those which do. If they involve the latter, I'll take exception. If they don't, I don't see it as a problem per se.

Everybody will accept that in this thread for Pat Troughton, and others, but not Barrowman? Again it makes me think that it's just because they think Barrowman's an asshole all around and want to stick the knife in? 

I do admittedly think he's an arsehole, but it's mainly because of the delineations I've made between his behaviour and other examples (ie, mooning). That, and him shouting at the top of his voice at a convention last year about his audience adoring him like a complete megalomaniac.

I don't think he's a great actor, but I've seen worse, and I rate Children of Earth despite loathing the early Torchwood seasons. I just find his genital-related behaviour (and its persistent nature) around other people unsettling and sinister.

[burrunjor]

Feb 16, 2023 16:11:53 GMT Bernard Marx said:

Feb 16, 2023 15:28:47 GMT burrunjor said:

For the record I think that Barrowman's behaviour was stupid, and one of the reasons I hate practical jokes of any kind, is that they can veer into bullying, in that if you don't like them, you get seen as a stick in the mud with no sense of humour rather than the person doing them understanding "respect my privacy, I'm not in the mood." So even if you are sensitive, or shy, you have to get roped into these awful situations and competitions and feel nervous that someone could be pranking you. 

Yes, and this is what happened with Barrowman, as the post above the one you've quoted cites. Production staff felt uncomfortable and didn't feel obliged to mention it because of production hierarchies. That's what I take issue with in particular.

With this in mind, yes Barrowman's antics around the set were obnoxious, but again I do ask, how are they any different to the types of things lots of actors do on set? Like I said Pat Troughton pulled Wendy Padbury's skirt down as a joke. Colin bit someone on the arse. Go on try and bite someone on the bum at work, see how they take it.

I'm not saying that such a thing wouldn't be seen as bloody dodgy at work. It absolutely would. The distinction I made in the post you quoted is that penile humour of the type Barrowman specifically indulges in is more unsettling (at least to me), as is shitting on an unsuspecting audience*. Those examples are crass, but Barrowman's almost always involve his genitals. Why his penis in particular? Why not other means? Are we seriously supposed to believe he didn't have ulterior sexual motives for it, given how often he placed it on objects and people?

*I just saw one of your later posts. I'll accept that it was an accident, but given that he hasn't apologised or recognised the possible impact left on his audience (to my knowledge), I'm still reticent to defend him on this.

Also again look at Kathryn Drysdale's account of working with Will Mellor. BTW she is one of his best friends, and has singled him out as the nicest guy she worked with, but still look at this. 

OK, so you play a cool character in the series but what is it really like working behind the scenes with the hunkey will mellor? (Question from: Leona in the UK)
Cool? Louise?! ...Working with Will is an absolute joy. He's always showing us his willy. He put it on my shoulder once when we were rehearsing. Seriously, when I first got this job, I was really shy and the cast was already acquainted in one way or another. But Will made me feel welcome. He's a gem.

EXACTLY what Barrowman did.

I wouldn't personally approve of that either- I find it sinister as hell- although I don't know much about Will Mellor and have seen next to nothing he's in, so I'm probably not liable to comment.

Also look at this story about Hugh Jackman from the set of X2. 

Hugh was genuinely naked when he filmed one of the scenes in X2: X-Men United so the crew decided to play a little prank on him. He ran down the hall and turned a corner only to find the entire female cast and crew present (and James Marsden's mum) to make catcalls and moon over his naked body while they waved money at him.

Like I said in my last post, I don't take an issue with mooning, and Jackman, to my knowledge, never placed his genitals on their bodies or on furniture and was naked during the shoot courtesy of filming flashback scenes (where Wolverine is experimented upon). No one felt uncomfortable (like "Monica" did), and Jackman was the one being pranked anyway.

Again I feel like the invisible man here? I keep bringing up all these other accounts of actors doing pretty much the same, if not worse things than Barrowman yet nobody acknowledges them. They still just say "go do what Barrowman does to someone in the street". Why can't people just accept it's as I have said dozens of times, that acting is a different environment where they see each other naked a lot, get very cosy around each other, and therefore joke around in ways you couldn't in other work environments? 

Because I distinguish between pranks which don't involve genital or faecal intimidation and those which do. If they involve the latter, I'll take exception. If they don't, I don't see it as a problem per se.

Everybody will accept that in this thread for Pat Troughton, and others, but not Barrowman? Again it makes me think that it's just because they think Barrowman's an asshole all around and want to stick the knife in? 

I do admittedly think he's an arsehole, but it's mainly because of the delineations I've made between his behaviour and other examples (ie, mooning). That, and him shouting at the top of his voice at a convention last year about his audience adoring him like a complete megalomaniac.

I don't think he's a great actor, but I've seen worse, and I rate Children of Earth despite loathing the early Torchwood seasons. I just find his genital-related behaviour (and its persistent nature) around other people unsettling and sinister.

Personally I don't think there was anything sexual given that he never did it to guys. It was only towards women and he is obviously gay. I think that he did it precisely because he felt that as he was gay, then the women wouldn't see it as predatory or sexual, and just find it funny. 

Meanwhile I don't doubt that there are examples of other people lower down who get annoyed with actors doing stupid things and want to speak out, but can't. It's terrible and why we should re-evaluate the industry from top to bottom, but ultimately Barrowman is far from the only example, and these women all mentioned that Barrowman never made them feel unsafe, never felt bullied by him, just that they hated his stupid humour. 

Meanwhile the shit story, well to be honest never mind that it was a total accident, he also wasn't bragging about it. He was sharing it as an example of what's the worst thing that happened to you, what's the most awful professional experience. Sharing it was actually self deprecating humour. Lot's of actors have that kind of story btw, so it might not even be real, and just be a stock story he used. Again ironically Hugh Jackman shared a similar story about pissing his pants on stage.

Meanwhile I wasn't actually singling out Jackman in the wolverine story, but pointing out that the women on the set all set him up to get a good look at his dick and arse and cat called him. Again if you take that out of the context of the film and the set, then you could say Big Fam who took part in that is someone that goes around humiliating men. (though granted I wouldn't mind that from her LOL,) 

Also again I fail to see the difference really just because Barrowman's is to do with his knob, given all of these pranks are outside of the weird environment of a set with friends, something you'd never get away with and in some cases sexual in nature too. Pulling an attractive woman's skirt down? Actually biting someone on the arse, that could be seen as assault? Similarly Sarah Michelle Gellar tugged on James Marsters codpiece to the point where he was exposed. 

Again whilst you can slag off Barrowman's performance, and even his conceit to fans if you think he has it, and his crass humour, calling him a predator is wrong and like I said ends up blowing it out of proportion. 

[mott1]

If I had to pick a side on this one, I'd go with those who are irritated by Barrowman's antics and find it unacceptable that 'others did it & got away with it' (the speeding motorist argument) and it was okay because he's gay and he only did it to women. Does that mean a gay man could sit in the nude in an office full of female admin staff? (No doubt Barrowman would give it a go, if he weren't (cough) an entertainer!)

I'm not exactly a prude, I had a mate who used to stir drinks with his winky and all sorts of other stupid stuff, and tolerated it until he finally calmed down. I even saw the funny side of some of it! But I don't really get why acting on stage is different to an office or in the street - if people have been made to feel uncomfortable by Barrowman's antics then it's not really relevant to that particular case what happened on other sets or other actors. We can't really get annoyed at the large number of (sometimes spurious and unfounded) claims made against male actors post-Me Too, and then shrug it off when he cheerfully admits to (and brags about) numerous stupid incidents involving unwanted public nudity, defecation and other gaffes, and crew or actresses voice that they were uncomfortable. Why should it be worse if he was female and/or the victims were male!? I knew a girl who kept grabbing her male boss in the privates and after being given a final warning she did it again and was fired - rightly so.

As Burronjor says, his career may have been damaged anyway and I don't exactly hate the guy - in many ways he's just a bit of a daft distraction - but it does seem he got a free pass for too long because of his sexuality and the work culture.

[Deleted]

Feb 15, 2023 16:32:20 GMT Spark Doll King said:

Gatwa dosen’t look like he’s having fun. Eccles 2.0?

Eh, you can't really judge from pictures like these. It could be cold, late at night, or an extremely long shoot or something, and these are only between-scenes/candid shots for the most part so I think it's unfair to pin anything like this on him.

[burrunjor]

Feb 16, 2023 19:03:58 GMT mott1 said:

If I had to pick a side on this one, I'd go with those who are irritated by Barrowman's antics and find it unacceptable that 'others did it & got away with it' (the speeding motorist argument) and it was okay because he's gay and he only did it to women. Does that mean a gay man could sit in the nude in an office full of female admin staff? (No doubt Barrowman would give it a go, if he weren't (cough) an entertainer!)

I'm not exactly a prude, I had a mate who used to stir drinks with his winky and all sorts of other stupid stuff, and tolerated it until he finally calmed down. I even saw the funny side of some of it! But I don't really get why acting on stage is different to an office or in the street - if people have been made to feel uncomfortable by Barrowman's antics then it's not really relevant to that particular case what happened on other sets or other actors. We can't really get annoyed at the large number of (sometimes spurious and unfounded) claims made against male actors post-Me Too, and then shrug it off when he cheerfully admits to (and brags about) numerous stupid incidents involving unwanted public nudity, defecation and other gaffes, and crew or actresses voice that they were uncomfortable. Why should it be worse if he was female and/or the victims were male!? I knew a girl who kept grabbing her male boss in the privates and after being given a final warning she did it again and was fired - rightly so.

As Joe says, his career may have been damaged anyway and I don't exactly hate the guy - in many ways he's just a bit of a daft distraction - but it does seem he got a free pass for too long because of his sexuality and the work culture.

Sorry but I absolutely would argue that there is a difference on stage when compared to an office and certainly in the street. 

Like I said, actors sometimes have to get naked in front of the entire crew, regularly. The crew have to glue things to their naked bodies, spend hours in a chair doing up their face, hell they even have to grab their cocks for various reasons, like to apply a codpiece and help them go to the bathroom, in some circumstances (such as the actor playing Master in Buffy. The claws on his hand meant that someone had to get his cock out for him to pee and wipe his arse. Same with Hugh Jackman when he had the Wolverine claws. Tim Curry had to have guys plaster fake skin over his topless body for hours for Darkness.) 

Then there are actors who have to kiss each other, which remember on a set you have to do like about 10 takes at least. Then there is the rehearsing like in this story. 

www.google.com/search?q=stana+katic+lesbian+scene&rlz=1CADKLE_enGB1041&oq=stana+katic+lesbian+scene&aqs=chrome..69i57.5799j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#:~:text=Blair%20and%20Katic,com%20%E2%80%BA%20Entertainment

They also might have to punch each other, grab each other in various ways for film, get really emotional with each other etc. For people working long hours in those kinds of environment to get very easy and comfortable with each other physically more than other co-workers who just sit together, that's understandable and like I said can lead to various kinds of pranks being pulled that you wouldn't even dream of doing in an office. Incidentally the army is another place where people can get very comfortable in each others presence and do pranks that you wouldn't get away with anywhere else too. 

Yes it's true that sometimes the extras on set can be forced to go along with the stupid pranks and obviously don't speak out in fear of getting sacked, and that's awful, but sometimes the extras get caught up in it in a way where they can take advantage of the actors too. Like the Hugh Jackman story where the entire female cast and crew, took part in staring at his dick and making sex noises to him. 

Fact is, it's a f*cking weird job. So weird I'm amazed it even exists and that was all I was saying about Barrowman. I might add as well Barrowman never did it when he wasn't playing an oversexualized character. IE Malcolm Merlyn, his character in Desperate Housewives. Nothing on those sets like that. It was however on Torchwood among actors he had to get naked in front of, kiss etc. that he did that kind of thing because again that was clearly the atmosphere and as he was basically naked and had people staring at him for ages to film him, he went with it. 

I also wasn't saying that Pat Troughton, or any of the others like Sarah Michelle Gellar should be condemned or blacklisted. Again I think they were just playing pranks with each other in weird environments. Troughton and Wendy Padbury were great friends and did all kinds of stupid things to each other. It clearly wasn't assault. 

The point is though that extras shouldn't be treated as nothing compared to the star, they should be allowed to speak up when the actors are goofing around and might be making them uncomfortable and on top of that, I think practical joke culture needs to end as I f*cking hate it. If someone doesn't like them, then the response is not to keep doing them until they like them which we are always f*cking told. Just leave them be! 

[Spark Doll King]

Feb 16, 2023 19:18:59 GMT @theyakemperor said:

Feb 15, 2023 16:32:20 GMT Spark Doll King said:

Gatwa dosen’t look like he’s having fun. Eccles 2.0?

Eh, you can't really judge from pictures like these. It could be cold, late at night, or an extremely long shoot or something, and these are only between-scenes/candid shots for the most part so I think it's unfair to pin anything like this on him.

I know the tone of the threads taken a serious turn so I’ll clarify I was only joking.

[mistressrani]

Feb 16, 2023 14:41:19 GMT RobFilth said:

Feb 16, 2023 14:31:29 GMT mistressrani said:

Can I just point out that nobody has been raped by Barrowman

That we presently are aware of, no.

However, they have been assaulted(shat on),abused(by his exposure), and had their property defiled by his lewdness.

I'm pretty sure Rape Crisis deal with abuse claims as well as Rape, their web site claims, "Rape Crisis England & Wales is the charity working to end sexual violence and abuse."

I'm pretty sure having Barrowman shove his cock in your food, piss in your garden and shit on your head whilst bragging about it afterwards to taunt the victims qualifies as a claim.

Has anyone actually made a claim of abuse though?

[mistressrani]

Feb 16, 2023 14:44:54 GMT RobFilth said:

Feb 16, 2023 14:35:20 GMT mistressrani said:

Blimey, even Pat was a sexual braggart - hope Rob is going to condemn this with equal outrage

Dear me Rani, if you can't tell the difference and distinguish between the idle (often untrue) boasts of sexual braggarts and actual physical sexual abuse I seriously worry about the state of your moral compass.

Well if you think boasting about pulling down a junior female member of staff's trousers or touching another's bottom is a trivial matter I wouldn't like to work in your environment.

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 21:18:21 GMT mistressrani said:

Feb 16, 2023 14:44:54 GMT RobFilth said:

Dear me Rani, if you can't tell the difference and distinguish between the idle (often untrue) boasts of sexual braggarts and actual physical sexual abuse I seriously worry about the state of your moral compass.

Well if you think boasting about pulling down a junior female member of staff's trousers or touching another's bottom is a trivial matter I wouldn't like to work in your environment.

I didn't say sexual abuse WAS a trivial matter Rani. Stop spinning and trying to put words into my mouth because of your wonky moral compass.

I agree that sexual braggarts are odious, but they partake in audible abuse rather than sexual abuse like your hero RTD-superman Barrowman does.

Now I suggest you move those magnets away from your faulty moral compass so that it can read properly again.

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 21:13:35 GMT mistressrani said:

Has anyone actually made a claim of abuse though?

No, they've been intimidated not to by Barrowmans powerful celebrity status, much like Savile, Harris and Glitter kept their victims quiet for decades by weilding their powerful celebrity immunity from the law.

[burrunjor]

Okay guys I think we should move on now. Rob and Rani I like your schtick normally, but calling Troughton a sexual abuser, and comparing Barrowman to Savile and Glitter is seriously not right. In both cases you're tarnishing the memories of innocent men, and comparing them to the absolute worst scum on the planet. We don't want that shit to get out of hand here.

Rani Troughton was not assaulting Wendy Padbury. She played similar pranks on him, all the time as a laugh.,That was the point of bringing it up to show what actors are like backstage, not to tarnish Troughton who never had a history of being horrible to his female co-stars or groping them or anything like that in the slightest. On the contrary every single one of his female companions, Anneke Wills, Deborah Watling and Wendy Padbury absolutely adored him (Anneke Wills was literally in love with Troughton, according to both Frazer Hines and Michael Craze, with Hines being a bit jealous.)

Again if you want to slag Barrowman off go ahead but this is not the way to do it. Personally I'm amazed nobody goes after Barrowman's gun acting LOL. Any time he tries to fire a gun he pulls Jodie level stupid faces. That must be why they cast him as the dark archer in Arrow.

[UncleDeadly]

[RobFilth]

Feb 16, 2023 22:37:59 GMT burrunjor said:

Okay guys I think we should move on now. Rob and Rani I like your schtick normally, but calling Troughton a sexual abuser, and comparing Barrowman to Savile and Glitter is seriously not right.

I didn't call Troughton an abuser or compare Barrowmans crimes with Glitter, Savile or Harris. I was comparing his ability to use celebrity status to gain immunity from scrutiny.

Barrowman to the best of my knowledge has never nonced up kids.

Although you are of course correct, Rani should apologise immediately.