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Post by burrunjor on Jan 24, 2023 13:02:27 GMT
Jeeeezus, that video! It's a nonce-monster. Did anyone think to check that it's not Gary Glitter or Rolf Harris in that suit? Now now, Rob. It's very "high-spirited" on set and he was clearly just joining in the fun.
Anyway, we know that Russell T. Davies would never associate with slimy, parasitic individuals who go around exposing their tentacles and grabbing females without consent.
Again not to go against the curve, but I still John Barrowman was unfairly treated. A film set is not the same as an office. Actors do all kinds of things as jokes on set to each other, especially when filming sex scenes. Sarah Michelle Gellar used to pull on the cod piece that James Marsters wore on their sex scenes, and pulled it off many times in front of the cast to humiliate him as a joke. David Boreanaz and Roger Moore dropped their pants to make actors corpse, Colin Baker bit Nicola Bryant on the arse in a take. Patrick Troughton and Frazer Hines both picked Deborah Watling up and threw her into a big pile of foam. To me John Barrowman doing similar things when filming sex scenes on a show like Torchwood is not the same as Noel Clarke actively bullying people, or possibly threatening their careers. James Marsters said the same thing in an interview with Michael Rosenbaum and the guy who played Ianto said the same thing. Now again to be clear I would never allow things to happen on set, but I hate practical jokes anyway. To me they are a mild form of bullying, but still it's not fair to single Barrowman out and IMO for Big Finish to kick him to the curb and basically help blacklist him shows how shitty they are. I suppose though if RTD goes the way of Joss Whedon now there will be Barrowman and Eccelston ready to stick the knife in. |
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Post by iank on Jan 24, 2023 21:20:50 GMT
Yeah I'm afraid the Barrowman thing really shows up the idiocy of it all. It's not like it was some dark secret that only came to light years after the event. Everyone was laughing about it in the late 2000s in their own music vids, on BBC Radio and in DWM!
Then suddenly 10 years later we're all supposed to forget all that and act like shocked Victorian puritans. What a load of utter bollocks.
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Post by rushy on Jan 24, 2023 21:41:35 GMT
The only reason Barrowman gets any flak is because of Barrowman. Everyone knows he did it just for a prank. And if he just came forward and released a statement a la "it was just a joke, I got reprimanded for it, but nobody seemed to be hurt. If anyone was, I'm sorry, that wasn't the intent", it would have blown over ages ago.
Barrowman has moped and gritted his teeth ever since this became public, and that ego is why people are irritated by him now.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 24, 2023 23:11:52 GMT
The only reason Barrowman gets any flak is because of Barrowman. Everyone knows he did it just for a prank. And if he just came forward and released a statement a la "it was just a joke, I got reprimanded for it, but nobody seemed to be hurt. If anyone was, I'm sorry, that wasn't the intent", it would have blown over ages ago. Barrowman has moped and gritted his teeth ever since this became public, and that ego is why people are irritated by him now. Sorry but that's just not true at all. He did EXACTLY as you said, but that wasn't enough. He was let go from Big Finish with a story he did not being released, and he was then let go from several other gigs, several conventions dropped appearances by him. Only then did he start getting mopey and gritting his teeth. |
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Post by rushy on Jan 24, 2023 23:42:37 GMT
It still would have blown over years ago if he hadn't gotten mopey. The companies probably figured he'd be cancelled based on the evidence and wanted to protect themselves. It was no irreparable hit to his career.
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Post by RobFilth on Jan 25, 2023 6:03:17 GMT
Yeah I'm afraid the Barrowman thing really shows up the idiocy of it all. It's not like it was some dark secret that only came to light years after the event. Everyone was laughing about it in the late 2000s in their own music vids, on BBC Radio and in DWM! Then suddenly 10 years later we're all supposed to forget all that and act like shocked Victorian puritans. What a load of utter bollocks. I wasn't laughing about it at the time, I was saying what a lewd abuser Barrowman was and questioning his suitability for a role in the programme. You're right about it being no deep dark secret and yes, the media suddenly acting all shocked is typical of their outright hypocrisy, particularly after the way they actively encouraged and enabled this creep. Big Finish are hypocrites, they knew what they had when they hired him. Personally, I don't know why anyone would defend a serial sex exposer who puts their genitals in other peoples cake, shits on their audience and laughs and brags about it, and boasts about pissing in peoples gardens. The guy is just a lewd, foul, disgusting braggart and serial abuser who the BBC actively encouraged and enabled. He's not funny, nor has he ever been, and those who think his lewd abusive behaviour is just give him the oxygen to carry on doing it. Sorry, but someone wiping their bare genitals on unsuspecting unconsenting victims "for the lolz" is not "a prank" or "a joke", it's intimidating abuse and an offense for which he should be charged, no matter how historic. Such behaviour has NEVER been acceptable for ANY reason. Not even during the 70's. And if that's "cancelling" someone I don't care, those banging on about "cancelling" people obviously approve of people like Jimmy Savile abusing people for donkeys years unimpeded. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jan 25, 2023 14:47:50 GMT
Who derailed this thread? There i was, having a nice chat about the Slug of Swansea and now its degenerated into all this off-topic Barrowman rubbish!
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Post by RobFilth on Jan 25, 2023 19:54:55 GMT
Who derailed this thread? There i was, having a nice chat about the Slug of Swansea and now its degenerated into all this off-topic Barrowman rubbish! I think it's because we suspected Barrowman is in that slug costume groping all and sundry. He's certainly slimy enough to be inside that f*cking thing. |
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Post by zarius on Feb 8, 2023 15:27:45 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 8, 2023 17:41:51 GMT
They really seem to be going out of their way to make her look like Billie Piper.
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Post by rushy on Feb 8, 2023 17:57:32 GMT
They really seem to be going out of their way to make her look like Billie Piper. It's always 2008. We're living in Groundhog Day! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 9:51:32 GMT
They really seem to be going out of their way to make her look like Billie Piper. Sure, it's a formula, but it works. And what RTD really needs now is butts in seats. |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Feb 9, 2023 11:51:39 GMT
They really seem to be going out of their way to make her look like Billie Piper. A fact that further bolsters my opinion it’s going to be more of the same old shite. |
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 9, 2023 15:55:53 GMT
Who derailed this thread? There i was, having a nice chat about the Slug of Swansea and now its degenerated into all this off-topic Barrowman rubbish! I think it's because we suspected Barrowman is in that slug costume groping all and sundry. He's certainly slimy enough to be inside that f*cking thing. He was only brought up because someone brought up the "it was just joking around." quote. I am loathe to bring up other examples of actors doing similar things on sets as jokes, as they could end up in the shitter like Barrowman with the cancel culture mob. Still since no one reads the Hive apart from Omie (who seriously does monitor our posts. If you're reading this Omie I think you're a total c*nt, and a pathetic "I want to speak to the manager" type that gets people banned because he doesn't have the brains to debate) Here goes. Colin Baker bit Nicola Bryant on the arse. (To the jealousy of Maxil LOL.) Wendy Padbury mentions having her skirt pulled down by either Troughton or Hinez as a joke. Sarah Michelle Gellar used to tug and pull on James Marsters codpiece when doing love scenes that exposed him to the crew to wind him up. David Boreanaz and Roger Moore dropped their pants all the time to make their co-stars corpse. One of the leading actors from Two Pints a popular britcom used to do the exact same thing as Barrowman. Here from one of his co-stars Kathryn Drysdale, who I am a huge fan of. OK, so you play a cool character in the series but what is it really like working behind the scenes with the hunkey will mellor? (Question from: Leona in the UK)
Cool? Louise?! ...Working with Will is an absolute joy. He's always showing us his willy. He put it on my shoulder once when we were rehearsing. Seriously, when I first got this job, I was really shy and the cast was already acquainted in one way or another. But Will made me feel welcome. He's a gem.
Matt Smith also improvised the bit where he slaps Jenna Coleman on the bum. (I bet Maxil is wishing he became an actor now LOL.) Now again I am not saying that this kind of behaviour is okay, BUT practical jokes of this sort among actors on set are very common, because again acting isn't a normal job. A lot of the time actors have to get naked, kiss each other, punch each other on screen etc. It's not so unreasonable that they might end up getting very comfortable with each other to the point, that they do stupid things like that on long hours, which for them is just seen as a thing among friends as part of a wind up. You can't say "imagine me doing that at the office." I have never been forced to get as comfortable with a co worker in the office as an actor doing a love scene (which given the semi pornographic nature of Torchwood was quite frequent.) To me to single John Barrowman out for it above all these other actors, is ridiculous. Personally I think he is being singled out because A/ he is an easy scape goat, B/ I think that they don't like him because he is popular with the fans. More so than David Tennant or even Matt Smith, because he tends to go to conventions more. (That's only because Matt and David admittedly have better careers. Barrowman's biggest thing outside of Who was another sci fi series,) Still either way Barrowman cavorts with the fans more, dances with them, talks to them etc. Also in contrast to Billie Piper, Colin Baker, Christopher Eccelston, Janet Fielding etc, John Barrowman stood up for us on the issue of Jodie, stating that it was perfectly fine that some people didn't like the idea, but hoped they might come around in time. To me the people that run these things hate people that give the fans and their concerns any time of day. Look at Henry Cavill who is similarly singled out and fired for no reason at all, whilst others are kept on? He was another one that said toxic fandom is a myth. They don't like us and they can't stand it when one of the actors does what they can't and wins round the fans, and encourages their toxic behaviour in anyway. |
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 10, 2023 9:36:23 GMT
Sorry I just realised that this post might make Maxil look like a pervert, saying he's jealous of these actors doing inappropriate things. Sorry about that Maxil, I was just making a joke about how much you like Nicola and Jenna, not saying you'd do what those actors did.
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