New Who waste of regenerations

[burrunjor]

One of the things that fecks me off the most about New Who, is how much they have trivialised regeneration, yet overblown it.

On the one hand they keep making out that the Doctor does actually die when he regenerates and the each version is a different person (though even then they can never keep it straight, and seem to flip flop.) Yet on the other they have used up a ridiculous amount of regenerations. 

So far they have producer 13 seasons. In that time the original series used up FOUR regenerations. 

The new who lot meanwhile have used up 20 Doctors. 

1/Paul McGann (since they didn't use him and therefore chose to regenerate off screen, I'm counting him.)
2/ Eccelston
3/ Tennant
4/ Smith
5/John Hurt
6/ Capaldi
7/ Whittaker
8/ Martin
9/ the Irish guy
10/ the black guy that joins that agency (another plot strand that went nowhere.)
11/ Tom Baker (the Curator.) 
12/ The Timeless Child
13/ The second Timeless Child
14/David Tennant as the 14th Doctor
15/ Ncuti Gatwa

At least five other timeless children we saw during the experiment. 

Again they've gotten it completely the wrong way round. In universe regeneration shouldn't be a big deal to the Doctor. It's a way of cheating death, but to us it should be special that there are only a few of them. Now fair enough, there would come a point where there would be a lot of them, but still even then it to get to 20 in 13 years, that means they've had more than one regeneration per year ffs. 

[iank]

Tennant as 14 is so stupid. Why do I get the feeling it's all just about egotism here, so they can say he was two Doctors (even though he'll no doubt be playing it exactly the same)?

[burrunjor]

Oct 25, 2022 9:03:26 GMT iank said:

Tennant as 14 is so stupid. Why do I get the feeling it's all just about egotism here, so they can say he was two Doctors (even though he'll no doubt be playing it exactly the same)?

As I said before to me regenerating the Doctor back the way is as bad as a female Doctor, in that it messes with the idea just as much. 

Why can't these clowns realise that regeneration worked when it was just straight forward! It was a way for him to cheat death, and it was interesting watching the Doctor go through all of these different faces, like a caterpillar changing into a butterfly. That was it! No expansion needed, it worked fine.

Now however they've broken that by making the changes too big (Jodie, having it that he can change into animals, making out each one is different when it is convenient for a bit of mawkish melodrama.) Yet now they've buggered it up even more by having it that some faces can repeat themselves apparently.

I honestly can't see any way forward for Doctor Who other than to decanonise New Who. The precedents these hacks have set will be absolute hell for future writers. Every person who casts a New Doctor will now face undue pressure to bring back an old favourite, and on top of that it will also be a political war zone over do I cast another man and risk the wrath of the feminists, or do I cast a woman and get accused of being woke, when if they had just kept it the way it was for 26 years that would never have happened. 

When I was young it was cool watching the Doctors faces all lined up and thinking they were just different shades of the same character. Now however there will be a woman sticking out like a sore thumb in the middle and David Tennant again after her. It just looks stupid and like a parody of itself now. 

[RobFilth]

I'm not opposed to degeneration(reverting back to previous incarnation) any more than I am to regenderation(incarnations changing gender), so long as a good narrative reason is given for the anomaly occuring.

This doesn't require hours of exposition, just a one sentence explanation.

Unfortunately NuWho is unable to supply even this because it is so badly written that it ends up trivialising everything.

[burrunjor]

Oct 25, 2022 9:24:40 GMT RobFilth said:

I'm not opposed to degeneration(reverting back to previous incarnation) any more than I am to regenderation(incarnations changing gender), so long as a good narrative reason is given for the anomaly occuring.

This doesn't require hours of exposition, just a one sentence explanation.

Unfortunately NuWho is unable to supply even this because it is so badly written that it ends up trivialising everything.

Well it would be better if they did explain it, but even then I still think it's a bad idea as I don't want regeneration to be tampered with too much, because it is something that could very easily become a parody of itself. The Fitzroy clique though have a history of dicking about with regeneration, long before Jodie, like in the comics when they had a fully grown adult time lord change into a child, or another time lord change into a giant bird in a book, or another one regenerate from just his head in the audios. 

They're such f*cking hacks who never stop and think "what will this do long term?" IE do you want to turn the casting of the Doctor into the setting of a culture war by changing his sex? Do you want to set a precedent for only older actors coming back and thus ironically prevent it from moving on? Do you want to make it that he is completely indestructable as now he can regenerate from just a head, and thus kill any tension? Or what about his and other Time Lord relationships on Gallifrey? Adults can change back into children? What happens to a Time Lord couple then where one of them regenerates into a child? Will the other be arrested? Or what if one changes into an animal as RTD put it in? Are the time lords into bestiality? What's even worse is I can just imagine them and their kabana boys like Jon Blum and mindless moron fans like Culfy sitting and laughing at the ming mongs like me saying "Ohhhh it's great we made their heads explode." Without realising that no, actually all they have done is just wreck the logics of the story. 

[RobFilth]

Oct 25, 2022 16:29:00 GMT burrunjor said:

Oct 25, 2022 9:24:40 GMT RobFilth said:

I'm not opposed to degeneration(reverting back to previous incarnation) any more than I am to regenderation(incarnations changing gender), so long as a good narrative reason is given for the anomaly occuring.

This doesn't require hours of exposition, just a one sentence explanation.

Unfortunately NuWho is unable to supply even this because it is so badly written that it ends up trivialising everything.

Well it would be better if they did explain it, but even then I still think it's a bad idea as I don't want regeneration to be tampered with too much, because it is something that could very easily become a parody of itself. The Fitzroy clique though have a history of dicking about with regeneration, long before Jodie, like in the comics when they had a fully grown adult time lord change into a child, or another time lord change into a giant bird in a book, or another one regenerate from just his head in the audios. 

They're such f*cking hacks who never stop and think "what will this do long term?" IE do you want to turn the casting of the Doctor into the setting of a culture war by changing his sex? Do you want to set a precedent for only older actors coming back and thus ironically prevent it from moving on? Do you want to make it that he is completely indestructable as now he can regenerate from just a head, and thus kill any tension? Or what about his and other Time Lord relationships on Gallifrey? Adults can change back into children? What happens to a Time Lord couple then where one of them regenerates into a child? Will the other be arrested? Or what if one changes into an animal as RTD put it in? Are the time lords into bestiality? What's even worse is I can just imagine them and their kabana boys like Jon Blum and mindless moron fans like Culfy sitting and laughing at the ming mongs like me saying "Ohhhh it's great we made their heads explode." Without realising that no, actually all they have done is just wreck the logics of the story. 

Changing species is not regeneration in any kind of form, it is mutation.

Rejuvenation(reverting back to a child) is acceptable if the regerative process has produced a freak anomoly which again would be explained by a one-sentence bit of dialogue.

However, as I reiterate, none of these freak regenerative anomolies should ever be presented as being the norm (which is why NuWho narration is so poor and falls flat on its face), otherwise your point about it destabilising and trivialising the whole Time Lord ethos and society stands.

[mistressrani]

Oct 25, 2022 9:16:14 GMT burrunjor said:

Oct 25, 2022 9:03:26 GMT iank said:

Tennant as 14 is so stupid. Why do I get the feeling it's all just about egotism here, so they can say he was two Doctors (even though he'll no doubt be playing it exactly the same)?

As I said before to me regenerating the Doctor back the way is as bad as a female Doctor, in that it messes with the idea just as much. 

I've never understood why people think a female Doctor is bad.  This misogyny needs to be called out.

[burrunjor]

Oct 26, 2022 8:23:20 GMT mistressrani said:

Oct 25, 2022 9:16:14 GMT burrunjor said:

As I said before to me regenerating the Doctor back the way is as bad as a female Doctor, in that it messes with the idea just as much. 

I've never understood why people think a female Doctor is bad.  This misogyny needs to be called out.

Yeah you're right Rani I just can't accept female heroes. I need to learn to grow up like you. That's why I've created and am in the middle of writing the following series. 









No strong roles for women in any of them. 

You know damn well why people are opposed to a female Doctor and that it has nothing to do with not wanting female heroes, so cut that shit out right away. PS so far I've not had any female character get shoved up against a tree and asked if she cummed so hard she forgot where she was by one of my male characters, like the uber feminist Chris Chibnall. Maybe I should as that apparently that's how a non misogynist writes his female characters. 

[iank]

lols Shut up. It's a male character, end of discussion. That's not mythogyny, it's common sense, as well you know.

[burrunjor]

Oct 26, 2022 9:06:53 GMT iank said:

lols Shut up. It's a male character, end of discussion. That's not mythogyny, it's common sense, as well you know.

Too true, and again if we are going to throw around the misogyny label, well there are a few things about Torchwood we can bring up against both RTD and Chibs. 

If you read any of my stories you won't find a female character being date raped and it being presented as a funny joke, a male character thinking it's been too long since one of the female leads had a good, hard shag, a male lead forcing himself on one of the women as that's what you do when you are about to die, and her joking about feeling his big cock pressed against her etc. Maybe I'm just not enlightened and respectful of women though?

[Deleted]

I've warmed to the idea of a female Doctor, but it's ridiculous for some fans to assume that anyone who doesn't like the decision is a rampant misogynistic dinosaur. It's a boring label at this point.

[Deleted]

It reminds me of She Hulk. Anyone who doesn't think it's a great show is smeared as being a misogynistic incel even though my sister, who is a woman by the way, thought it was utter shite.

[RobFilth]

Oct 26, 2022 8:23:20 GMT mistressrani said:

Oct 25, 2022 9:16:14 GMT burrunjor said:

As I said before to me regenerating the Doctor back the way is as bad as a female Doctor, in that it messes with the idea just as much. 

I've never understood why people think a female Doctor is bad.  This misogyny needs to be called out.

It's not misogyny though.

Regenerating either Susan or Romana into a man is a completely dumb idea too.

[mistressrani]

Oct 26, 2022 9:06:53 GMT iank said:

lols Shut up. It's a male character, end of discussion. That's not mythogyny, it's common sense, as well you know.

You've kind of made my point for me there.

[mistressrani]

Oct 26, 2022 9:06:26 GMT burrunjor said:

Oct 26, 2022 8:23:20 GMT mistressrani said:

I've never understood why people think a female Doctor is bad.  This misogyny needs to be called out.

Yeah you're right Rani I just can't accept female heroes. I need to learn to grow up like you. That's why I've created and am in the middle of writing the following series. 









No strong roles for women in any of them. 

You know damn well why people are opposed to a female Doctor and that it has nothing to do with not wanting female heroes, so cut that shit out right away. PS so far I've not had any female character get shoved up against a tree and asked if she cummed so hard she forgot where she was by one of my male characters, like the uber feminist Chris Chibnall. Maybe I should as that apparently that's how a non misogynist writes his female characters. 

Showing male oppression over women is not misogyny.  Thinking women can't play a particular character....