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Post by burrunjor on Aug 12, 2022 8:06:39 GMT
I'm amazed he hasn't yet? Any of these things could blow up at any moment and have the same effect on him.
1/ Bullying, and blacklisting Christopher Eccelston. Sooner or later Eccelston I think will do a Charisma Carpenter, having been diplomatic about it for so long, he'll finally unleash decades of bitterness.
2/ His incredibly un pc, nasty bullying towards overweight people in the show itself. Love and Monsters, Voyage of the Damned, Partners in Crime.
3/ Working with a man like Noel Clarke for years, and apparently having no idea of the type of person he was, when the extras did? PS many of the extras and actors like Eccelston have spoken about how there was a horrible, cliquey atmosphere on set in general, with the lower downs being treated like shit, which is what allowed Clarke to do that.
4/ Letting Barrowman get away with his antics. I like Barrowman and I don't think he had any ill will, but if Barrowman is cancelled for it, then those at the top who outright encouraged and laughed at it like in the ballad of Julie and Russell, should be held accountable too.
5/ His utter rank hypocrisy. He blasts other tv shows for not being woke enough, like Primeval and Loki, yet he works with Neil Patrick Harris and films in f*cking Dubai, a country where homosexuals are treated like dirt!
6/ The creepiness of a lot of his work. Torchwood actually had one of its leading characters rape people and it was presented as a joke.
7/ His nastiness towards the fans. From bullying them in the show (like Ian Levine, who he also told to f*ck off at an event.) To trying to label all his critics as sad losers, to using outdated slurs against them, which leads to my next point.
8/ His horrible attitude towards the disabled? He regularly used the slur ming mong. I don't know if he has used it recently, but even in the 00s that slur was considered offensive. There is an episode of Extras from the same time, where Stephen Merchant's character who is meant to be a total moronic, incompetent arse uses it, and it's presented as an awful, cringe inducing moment. Yet RTD was saying it genuinely all the time for years after that!
This is a powder keg waiting to go off if you want my opinion.
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Post by iank on Aug 12, 2022 9:01:14 GMT
I kinda hope so. At least Joss had some actual talent too.  |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Aug 12, 2022 9:09:11 GMT
Well currently he’s protected by several things. His status as the man who brought back Doctor Who, and the fact that era was popular. He’s also gay and seen as on “the right side” of the political spectrum.
Now his era has taken quite a few knocks of late, and his seeming willingness to carry on the style that ran the show into ground has soured quite a lot of people to him. Plus being gay didn’t save Dreyfus when the mob went after him.
As I see it the dominos are all in place. It’s just waiting for the first to fall.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Aug 19, 2022 8:54:45 GMT
I’m tempted to review his era after I finish Classic who. If I do I might go to the trouble pointing out everything in his era that the current mob would find unacceptable.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Aug 19, 2022 9:29:42 GMT
Ah what the hell I can list some them now.
Racism via having most of his long term couples be of the same ethic group, mixed race ones normally break up. Martha is snubbed by the Doctor. Also the majority of the Tourchwood team are Caucasian, and their one ethic member only flirts with lesbianism and spends much of her time pining for a white, male, sex offender.
Playing up the stereotype of gay/pan sexual promiscuity.
Being anti-asexual, by making the Doctor, an asexual icon, interested in sex.
Body shaming of the large, skinny and operated.
Not treating every white male character as out of touch dads, knuckle dragging Neanderthals, white supremacist nazis or women hating rapists.
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 19, 2022 17:45:20 GMT
Ah what the hell I can list some them now. Racism via having most of his long term couples be of the same ethic group, mixed race ones normally break up. Martha is snubbed by the Doctor. Also the majority of the Tourchwood team are Caucasian, and their one ethic member only flirts with lesbianism and spends much of her time pining for a white, male, sex offender. Playing up the stereotype of gay/pan sexual promiscuity. Being anti-asexual, by making the Doctor, an asexual icon, interested in sex. Body shaming of the large, skinny and operated. Not treating every white male character as out of touch dads, knuckle dragging Neanderthals, white supremacist nazis or women hating rapists. Good points especially about the asexual bit. They are a minority group who are always suspected of being weirdos, losers, freaks etc, and RTD not only took that role away from them, but he actively insulted those who cared about it as losers, saddos, freaks and the type of fans we don't want compared to the sexy new fans. I remember on the Buffy board there was an awful, awful, AWFUL woman who was a rabid RTD fan who got furious whenever I brought up my problems with the revival. She claimed that the Doctor was always sexy in the original, that Hartnell fancied that Aztec girl, that Jon Pertwee and Jo Grant were doing it, that Troughton was a ladies man Doctor, as was Tom, and that it was only JNT that made the Doctor asexual because he wanted to have a gay idol, and that was the next best thing. She also said that the show died for that reason and that it became anti women because the Doctor wasn't getting off with anyone and that it's fanbase were sad losers in the 90s who weren't getting any and that's why they liked the Doctor. She also accused me of being anti women, ironically because I said you don't need to make a show romantic in order to have women watching it, and that women don't need to fancy the male lead. Obvs I'm not saying those things don't appeal to women, same way they appeal to men, like Xena, but at the same time you can have a show like Miss Marple that guys enjoy, and a show like true Who that women enjoy, because of their stories and compelling characters. For daring to say that she called me a woman hater who just wanted to kick all women out of the DW fandom. It was f*cking hysterical, though she wasn't typical of the Buffy boards, I must say, and the mod did step in and told her not to speak to people like that, (unlike GB or Anoraks. where six more would have dogpiled on me, and the mod would have banned me for being abusive.) Still it's funny that that is the attitude the RTD cronies have, how they twist things, when in actual fact what we had here was a hero for a very small, misunderstood, bullied minority that was taken away from them because they were all stereotyped as woman hating losers. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2022 22:34:02 GMT
I don't like Russell very much. Maybe I'm just a silly "Ming Mong"...
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Post by cyberhat on Aug 23, 2022 23:29:12 GMT
The whole "arc" of Martha is racist. A black companion who only exists on the show to be not as good as the previous white companion. Where the whole season is based around a white companion that's left the show, pushing a supposed breakthrough in minority representation to the sidelines. Insulting and crass doesn't cover it.
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 3, 2022 9:15:51 GMT
The whole "arc" of Martha is racist. A black companion who only exists on the show to be not as good as the previous white companion. Where the whole season is based around a white companion that's left the show, pushing a supposed breakthrough in minority representation to the sidelines. Insulting and crass doesn't cover it. You know as much as I really, REALLY like Claudia Boleyn as a person, I never got why she and others who thought Moffat's work was problematic, didn't have the same attitude towards RTD's. I mean people got angry at the Matt Smith episode, Journey to the Center of the TARDIS because it had a few black characters as criminals, and the Web of Fear is called racist because the guy at the start who refuses to sell the Yeti back is Jewish and apparently that is fulfilling a stereotype of Jewish men being greedy and deserving to die. (PS I think it's funny how the Welsh stereotype that IS racist in that story and even gets called a jibbering Welsh imbecile is completely overlooked. It seems nobody gives a f*ck about the poor Welsh.) RTD meanwhile as you said pairs off the two black people together after they were thoroughly rejected by their white spouses who ended up together and made out that they weren't as good as their white partners. Not saying that was intentional, but the way that people go looking for things with the Matt Smith and Classic era episodes, you' think that they would have the same attitude to RTD, but no? Then there is RTD portraying all of his female characters as being hopelessly in love with the male hero, their story arcs all revolving entirely around him, only wanting to travel in time and space because they think he is cute, and in the case of Rose and Donna, they both feel worthless until he came along. (Even Wilf, Donna's own grandfather says as much.) Then there are his constant gay stereotypes, his main bisexual character being a sex obsessed maniac who wants to shag everything, even a poodle. His cruel jokes about fat people and the disabled and the fact that he is working with Neil Patrick Harris, and the bullying accusations. Really I put it down to simple nostalgia from these people because he introduced them to the world of DW. That must be it, and here's hoping as more of that crowd move on, or better yet discover the superior original, RTD will lose his messiah like image. |
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Post by cyberhat on Sept 3, 2022 12:43:50 GMT
Liberals are right-wingers that think they're left wingers. Which sums up modern Who to a tee. RTD meanwhile as you said pairs off the two black people together after they were thoroughly rejected by their white spouses who ended up together and made out that they weren't as good as their white partners.
Didn't RTD see this South Park episode?
"In the episode, when a new black girl transfers to South Park Elementary, Cartman is inspired to play matchmaker by setting her up with Tolkien, the one black boy in class, because Cartman believes "black people belong together."
RTD is Cartman
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Post by cyberhat on Sept 3, 2022 12:49:22 GMT
Really I put it down to simple nostalgia from these people because he introduced them to the world of DW. That must be it, and here's hoping as more of that crowd move on, or better yet discover the superior original, RTD will lose his messiah like image. Noticed this with a lot of American Youtubers. Especially ones that complain about wokeness, who then praise RTD's heavy handed, simple headed, hypocritical woke Who legacy to the skies.
The only hope with him coming back to the show is that he ruins this totally unearned legacy.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 27, 2022 18:16:08 GMT
Really I put it down to simple nostalgia from these people because he introduced them to the world of DW. That must be it, and here's hoping as more of that crowd move on, or better yet discover the superior original, RTD will lose his messiah like image. This is precisely what happened to me, in that his era was my first exposure to Doctor Who (although I never personally lionised RTD or his era in the first place, so does it really apply?). Liberals are right-wingers that think they're left wingers. Which sums up modern Who to a tee. RTD's politics definitely stray more closely to "neoliberal" or "liberal" than "leftist". This was particularly clear in what little I saw of Years and Years. The first episode features an exchange about UK politics being "boring" before the financial crash of 2008. RTD is correct insofar as populism flourished after this (most explicitly in Farage, UKIP and Brexit), a core topic of the series. But he never dares to explore HOW the "boring" New Labour years contributed to the disaffection endemic to the craving for political alternatives. He also never addresses how years of party monopolisation gave Farage the opening he needed to channel the disaffected vote, nor does he comment on the left being completely sidelined from political conversation. As a “popcorn salesman” (to quote Humphrey Bogart’s character from “In a Lonely Place”), RTD recognises political and cultural trends, yet fails to explore *why* they take place. Instead, he capitalises on them, hence the emphasis on reality TV and the demonisation of fat people in his era of Who. Both of which became more prevalent during Blair’s tenure in office- an era which itself capitalised massively on "aspiration" and individualism. |
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