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Post by RobFilth on Nov 30, 2020 8:47:30 GMT
What one is in your opinion the best?
Although most people will disagree, I've included the 90's in this for the TVMovie/Dimensions In Time/BBV-Reeltime Independent Spin Offs, because I still view them as Pre-NuPooh and therefore "Classic", even if you can pretty much take them or leave them out of Classic-Canon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 12:17:07 GMT
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Post by Bernard Marx on Feb 25, 2021 12:39:55 GMT
I feel obliged to abstain, but f*ck it. I'll be a conformist and vote for the 70s. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 12:25:52 GMT
The 80s.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 12:41:58 GMT
I feel obliged to abstain You should abstain. Semen retention is good for you. |
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Post by Brian MK.II on Mar 2, 2021 14:55:00 GMT
The 60s for me. The most imaginative period and also the most consistent quality with no duff season.
With The 70s, Tom's era is nearly all great but I find chunks of Pertwee's era to be lethargic and the 80s has the bland and dry Davison Era plus S23-4. That's not to bash those two decades but at the same time I'd say 60s Who had that above them.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 7, 2021 15:29:41 GMT
The 60s for me. The most imaginative period and also the most consistent quality with no duff season. With The 70s, Tom's era is nearly all great but I find chunks of Pertwee's era to be lethargic and the 80s has the bland and dry Davison Era plus S23-4. That's not to bash those two decades but at the same time I'd say 60s Who had that above them. f*cking vote for it, then. Your team's getting battered here, Brian...!  |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 7, 2021 15:49:52 GMT
Just like Batman, the 70s is the golden age. I think the 70s represents an odd time for many franchises. We'd shaken off some of the excess camp of the 60s but hadn't embraced quite the "I'M SO DARK" mantra of the 80s yet. It was a nice balance.
Same applies for the 90s and 00s. The stuff from then was a mixture of camp and seriousness like Xena. The 10s however was like the 80s in that it was a return to everything being so miserable LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 16:09:42 GMT
Just like Batman, the 70s is the golden age. I think the 70s represents an odd time for many franchises. We'd shaken off some of the excess camp of the 60s but hadn't embraced quite the "I'M SO DARK" mantra of the 80s yet. It was a nice balance. Same applies for the 90s and 00s. The stuff from then was a mixture of camp and seriousness like Xena. The 10s however was like the 80s in that it was a return to everything being so miserable LOL. The 80s are for the cool kids, bruv. You just don't get it. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 7, 2021 16:23:05 GMT
Nah. Overall, the '80s were shit. Apart from Ghostbusters... |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 7, 2021 16:28:08 GMT
Just like Batman, the 70s is the golden age. I think the 70s represents an odd time for many franchises. We'd shaken off some of the excess camp of the 60s but hadn't embraced quite the "I'M SO DARK" mantra of the 80s yet. It was a nice balance. Same applies for the 90s and 00s. The stuff from then was a mixture of camp and seriousness like Xena. The 10s however was like the 80s in that it was a return to everything being so miserable LOL. The 80s are for the cool kids, bruv. You just don't get it. LOL well I'm not saying I dislike the darker stuff of the 80s. The Killing Joke is by far and away the best Joker comic of all time, but the 80s stuff was definitely darker. Batman, Doctor Who (apart from season 24) Blake's 7 etc. Even comedy like The Young Ones started to get a bit darker. That was the style of the late 70s and early 80s, be miserable, and pessimistic. Makes sense. It was the time of Thatcher, and also I think when a lot of people realised that all those dreams of us living in a utopia that people had in the 50s and 60s were not going to happen. People in the 50s genuinely thought that they'd be living in a Dan Dare style world in twenty years time. (Hence why Dan Dare was only set in the 90s, not hundreds of years in the future.) Then instead by the 80s they get things like the poll tax LOL. It's not so hard to see why 80s stuff is angry and pessimistic. In the 90s meanwhile people started to get optimistic again. The cold war was over, it was the dawn of a new millenium, then there was New Labour that duped a lot of people into thinking it would be a step forward. As a result we start to get campy things again, and there is a 60s nostalgia boom. By the end of the 00s however again pessimism has set in thanks to Iraq, Bush and New Labour being worse if anything than the Tories, hence why everything has to be dark and gritty again. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 7, 2021 16:52:15 GMT
Nah. Overall, the '80s were shit. Apart from Ghostbusters... Cobra and Rocky IV and The Karate Kid and Beverly Hills Cop and The Howling and Big and Top Gun and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation and Fletch You're doing this all wrong, Gus. You're meant to be arguing against me...
Seriously though, this isn't just about films but the whole socio-political and artistic climate. The '80s is where Neo-liberalism really comes to dominance and popular culture begins to head on a corresponding downward spiral that we still haven't recovered from. Dumbing down of popular music and entertainment in general really starts here. Yes, things were largely better then than they are now, but that's relative and this is where the problems really start.
You're preaching to the choir re; '80s Who. I voted for it, anyway.  A tough call and, like Bernard, i was tempted to abstain, as i love all three decades of the original run. However, i suppose i'm especially fond of the '80s stories and consider them unfairly maligned, so they deserve the vote. That being said, although i agree that Doctor Who was still largely excellent (and, if anything, more innovative) throughout the '80s, the fact is that Doctor Who was not long for this world, the emergence of the likes of Michael Grade a sad result of the Neoliberal degradation of the BBC.
Yes, some great films were made during the '80s (and, to be fair, you name some of them) but that could be said of every decade heading back to the teens . And the '80s also mark the beginning of spectacle starting to dominate narrative, which is a grim legacy...
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Post by mott1 on Mar 7, 2021 16:58:42 GMT
Got to be the 70s, though the 60s of course gets short-changed due to the number of missing stories. I think the 80s stuff is underrated and over-criticised at times, particularly with the hindsight that even camp and controversial stuff like The Kandyman now seem positively restrained compared to Nu Who's ideas.
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Post by Brian MK.II on Mar 7, 2021 17:58:52 GMT
The 60s for me. The most imaginative period and also the most consistent quality with no duff season. With The 70s, Tom's era is nearly all great but I find chunks of Pertwee's era to be lethargic and the 80s has the bland and dry Davison Era plus S23-4. That's not to bash those two decades but at the same time I'd say 60s Who had that above them. f*cking vote for it, then. Your team's getting battered here, Brian...! Done.  |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Mar 7, 2021 18:09:28 GMT
Cobra and Rocky IV and The Karate Kid and Beverly Hills Cop and The Howling and Big and Top Gun and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation and Fletch You're doing this all wrong, Gus. You're meant to be arguing against me...
Seriously though, this isn't just about films but the whole socio-political and artistic climate. The '80s is where Neo-liberalism really comes to dominance and popular culture begins to head on a corresponding downward spiral that we still haven't recovered from. Dumbing down of popular music and entertainment in general really starts here. Yes, things were largely better then than they are now, but that's relative and this is where the problems really start.
You're preaching to the choir re; '80s Who. I voted for it, anyway. A tough call and, like Bernard, i was tempted to abstain, as i love all three decades of the original run. However, i suppose i'm especially fond of the '80s stories and consider them unfairly maligned, so they deserve the vote. That being said, although i agree that Doctor Who was still largely excellent (and, if anything, more innovative) throughout the '80s, the fact is that Doctor Who was not long for this world, the emergence of the likes of Michael Grade a sad result of the Neoliberal degradation of the BBC.
Yes, some great films were made during the '80s (and, to be fair, you name some of them) but that could be said of every decade heading back to the teens . And the '80s also mark the beginning of spectacle starting to dominate narrative, which is a grim legacy...
Couldn’t agree more with this. Absolutely f*cking spot on. My main gripe with the 80s, like you, is that it very much marked the beginning of the infantilisation of art and popular culture, courtesy of the influx of neoliberal orthodoxy. Grade himself was an outright Thatcherite and 80s Who was noteworthy in its repudiation of the tackier and more trivial elements of the decade in general, often induced by this orthodoxy. The reason he hated season 22 was because, as with stories like Varos, Two Doctors and Revelation, they serve as incisive satirical commentary on many of the prevailing trivialities or attitudes of the period (and beyond). The cynicism and vapidity of reality TV parodied in Varos is ultimately a symptom of society at large during the period, and one which has only exacerbated at growing speed during the neoliberal era. The adoption of the “I’m alright Jack” philosophy sets in during this period too, as does the influence of the tabloid press and the Murdochs, and on a more fundamental level, the decade foresaw the prevailing idiocy of contemporary culture. Society became more reliant on platitudes, soundbites and spin as opposed to substance and integrity, in both popular culture, entertainment and politics. The status quo have seized onto this formula and utilised it as its central hat trick for decades now, which is why our media continues to favour spectacle over integrity to this day. |
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A tough call and, like Bernard, i was tempted to abstain, as i love all three decades of the original run. However, i suppose i'm especially fond of the '80s stories and consider them unfairly maligned, so they deserve the vote. That being said, although i agree that Doctor Who was still largely excellent (and, if anything, more innovative) throughout the '80s, the fact is that Doctor Who was not long for this world, the emergence of the likes of Michael Grade a sad result of the Neoliberal degradation of the BBC.
