Post by burrunjor on Jun 15, 2022 9:20:44 GMT
Sorry I put this in the wrong section LOL, can the mod fix this.
Getting back into Bruce Lee recently also made me watch his son Brandon Lee's movies.
It was just so tragic that we lost both of them so young and in such a similar way. Both of them obviously had it all. Good looks, charisma, screen presence, and whilst both had been acting since they were young and had appeared in a few good movies, like The Big Boss, and Rapid Fire, neither had broken through until their last film Enter the Dragon and The Crow, both of which would be remembered as all time classics, but sadly they died right before their release.
Question is, whilst both are classics, which film do you prefer?
For me it's hard to say. Enter the Dragon is far more important than The Crow. Love it or hate, it was one of these movies that changed everything. It introduced martial arts to the west, and has inspired almost too many imitators to mention, Everything from Jackie Chan movies, to Jet Li movies, to Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, to Jean Claude Van Damme movies, to even Gina Carano movies, to the Mr Vampire craze, to Blade, Buffy and Angel, all grew out of Enter the Dragon in some ways. Hell even Jon Pertwee's Venusian Karate was an attempt at being Bruce Lee LOL. You can tell that Pertwee is the early 70s Doctor that way.
ETD changed the standard style of fighting in films and tv shows from old school John Wayne style brawls, to high kicks, fancy moves and martial arts.
Also it inspired this masterpiece.
That surely is worthy of praise LOL.
As an action movie in its own right, surprisingly I don't think it's quite fallen victim to the Seinfeld is unfunny trope just yet despite how much it's been copied. As I was saying in Clockwork's thread, the Bruce Lee movies fight scenes are still impressive, because real skill went into making them, not just from Bruce, but his opponents, many of whom were world champions in real life too. No wires, CGI or worst of all jump cuts to make it seem faster, but just works where you can't tell what is going on. As an action film Enter the Dragon is comparable to what say the original King Kong or Jurassic Park are for Dinosaur movies, or Forbidden Planet is to sci fi movies, or the Marx Brothers are for comedies.
The Crow meanwhile was in contrast, just following a trend, the edgy, gritty, miserable superhero craze, kicked off by Tim Burtons Batman.
However that said I think the Crow might be a better film to watch in its own right. I must admit whilst having been a fan of Bruce my whole life, I still return to the Crow more often. I think Brandon was probably a better actor than Bruce. Bruce was on the level of say Gina Carano. Had great charisma and was exceptional for the action, and wasn't so stiff and bad that they ruined the movie, but was obviously a bit more average in their range. Brandon however has a real intensity and gravitas. Even though we only meet his character when he comes back, we feel like we know everything about him because of how well Brandon plays his grief and anger.
I also think the Crow definitely has more depth to it. There are lots of scenes that are genuinely moving and poignant, like Eric and Shelly's reunion. That scene still gets me and its villains are a lot more memorable. Mr Han Man is a good, campy, Bond villain, but Michael Wincott is just so vile and frightening and charismatic in his own right. Also the supportint cast in the Crow are much more fleshed out and have interesting story arcs in their own right.
Overall like I said it's hard to say. The film buff in me probably goes for ETD, but I'd say the viewer in me leans more towards the Crow. Either way though both are masterpieces and sadly will forever have an air of tragedy over them due to what happened to their main stars.
Getting back into Bruce Lee recently also made me watch his son Brandon Lee's movies.
It was just so tragic that we lost both of them so young and in such a similar way. Both of them obviously had it all. Good looks, charisma, screen presence, and whilst both had been acting since they were young and had appeared in a few good movies, like The Big Boss, and Rapid Fire, neither had broken through until their last film Enter the Dragon and The Crow, both of which would be remembered as all time classics, but sadly they died right before their release.
Question is, whilst both are classics, which film do you prefer?
For me it's hard to say. Enter the Dragon is far more important than The Crow. Love it or hate, it was one of these movies that changed everything. It introduced martial arts to the west, and has inspired almost too many imitators to mention, Everything from Jackie Chan movies, to Jet Li movies, to Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, to Jean Claude Van Damme movies, to even Gina Carano movies, to the Mr Vampire craze, to Blade, Buffy and Angel, all grew out of Enter the Dragon in some ways. Hell even Jon Pertwee's Venusian Karate was an attempt at being Bruce Lee LOL. You can tell that Pertwee is the early 70s Doctor that way.
ETD changed the standard style of fighting in films and tv shows from old school John Wayne style brawls, to high kicks, fancy moves and martial arts.
Also it inspired this masterpiece.
That surely is worthy of praise LOL.
As an action movie in its own right, surprisingly I don't think it's quite fallen victim to the Seinfeld is unfunny trope just yet despite how much it's been copied. As I was saying in Clockwork's thread, the Bruce Lee movies fight scenes are still impressive, because real skill went into making them, not just from Bruce, but his opponents, many of whom were world champions in real life too. No wires, CGI or worst of all jump cuts to make it seem faster, but just works where you can't tell what is going on. As an action film Enter the Dragon is comparable to what say the original King Kong or Jurassic Park are for Dinosaur movies, or Forbidden Planet is to sci fi movies, or the Marx Brothers are for comedies.
The Crow meanwhile was in contrast, just following a trend, the edgy, gritty, miserable superhero craze, kicked off by Tim Burtons Batman.
However that said I think the Crow might be a better film to watch in its own right. I must admit whilst having been a fan of Bruce my whole life, I still return to the Crow more often. I think Brandon was probably a better actor than Bruce. Bruce was on the level of say Gina Carano. Had great charisma and was exceptional for the action, and wasn't so stiff and bad that they ruined the movie, but was obviously a bit more average in their range. Brandon however has a real intensity and gravitas. Even though we only meet his character when he comes back, we feel like we know everything about him because of how well Brandon plays his grief and anger.
I also think the Crow definitely has more depth to it. There are lots of scenes that are genuinely moving and poignant, like Eric and Shelly's reunion. That scene still gets me and its villains are a lot more memorable. Mr Han Man is a good, campy, Bond villain, but Michael Wincott is just so vile and frightening and charismatic in his own right. Also the supportint cast in the Crow are much more fleshed out and have interesting story arcs in their own right.
Overall like I said it's hard to say. The film buff in me probably goes for ETD, but I'd say the viewer in me leans more towards the Crow. Either way though both are masterpieces and sadly will forever have an air of tragedy over them due to what happened to their main stars.
