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Post by burrunjor on Mar 11, 2021 8:58:49 GMT
I'm going to say, to no one's surprise the Master.
The three versions of the Master in the revival have all been toe curlingly awful, and I still resent the way in certain areas you're not allowed to say that about Gomez without being called a sexist. (Or told to kill yourself in my case by Elizabeth Sandifier.)
After the Master I'd say the Cybermen. The Cybusmen were a joke and a slap in the face to the original by not bringing them back.
The Sontarans were alright in their first appearance, and I quite liked Strax, but obviously their presence as villains was undermined. They should have adapted The First Sontarans to make them effective.
The Daleks were the only ones that were done reasonably well.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 11, 2021 22:40:17 GMT
Let's face it; they f*cking messsed them all up...  |
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Post by mott1 on Mar 12, 2021 10:11:39 GMT
I remember being pissed that they even managed to f*ck the zygons up in Day Of The Doctor. One of my fondest memories of Classic Who was of their original story, how impressive their design was and how chilling their behaviour was too.
Fast forward to the Nu Who era and we've got one thrown in just for shits and giggles, with no menace and no point.
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 12, 2021 15:04:20 GMT
If the 456 in Torchwood "Children of the Earth" had been Macra instead then it would have actually been a successful return of a Classic Who monster, but Fathead couldn't even get that one right.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 12, 2021 18:37:16 GMT
I remember being pissed that they even managed to f*ck the zygons up in Day Of The Doctor. One of my fondest memories of Classic Who was of their original story, how impressive their design was and how chilling their behaviour was too. Fast forward to the Nu Who era and we've got one thrown in just for shits and giggles, with no menace and no point.
The nuwho Zygons are pathetic. Part of what made the originals so effective is that their facial features are a sort of distorted mockery of the human face. It's that classic horror trick of taking something that's familiar and twisting it so that it becomes half-recognisable and half-alien which creates disturbance in us because we can't quite process what we're seeing. The fear of the unknown, effectively.
For all their money and resources, the nuwho lot can't even get that right. They have the means yet they can't grasp the concept, so what we get is the outline of a Zygon with a dopey looking human face sticking out of it. The effect is risible, like something out of The Muppets or Round the Bend.
Another possibility is, of course, that they are labouring under a Whitehouseian edict from the upper echelons of the BBC to avoid anything "Too scary" which would go some way toward explaining a lot of the toothless nonsense we've been having to stomach in the name of "Doctor Who" since 2005.
When i see nuwho Zygons, i see this:-
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 0:09:07 GMT
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Totally correct, Deaders.
The Titlurians are surely the worst offender. Generic Star Trek aliens/humans in masks.
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 13, 2021 5:28:45 GMT
^ Totally correct, Deaders. The Titlurians are surely the worst offender. Generic Star Trek aliens/humans in masks. Oh they're f*cking shit. When you think of how they could have come back, and the shit we got instead.  |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 13, 2021 12:40:10 GMT
^ Totally correct, Deaders. The Titlurians are surely the worst offender. Generic Star Trek aliens/humans in masks. Ah yes, reptiles with mammary glands. Good thinking, Chibbers. But then, in his writing, everything has tits, doesn't it? Sometimes art doesn't imitate life...
Hold on, i've just come. Where am i...?
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Post by mott1 on Mar 13, 2021 13:02:44 GMT
And then there's the Daleks. Initially I thought they handled them well, to make the one in 'Dalek' that powerful in comparison to contemporary humans made sense. I even liked some of the ideas in 'Daleks In Manhattan'.
But then they emasculated the cybermen to make the pepperpots look more impressive, and an subsequently we got the multicoloured Daleks, sewage-defeated Daleks and spitfires in space. Not the chilling adversaries they were meant to be...
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 13, 2021 15:58:10 GMT
The main thing which pisses me off about NuPooh is just how sanitized and afraid to take risks it is, particularly in regard to violence. (i.e. the drawing back of the camera during the Dalek "massacre" in Parting Of The Ways)
It's one of the chief reasons why I always preferred Primeval which was a lot darker, higher on the body horror and jumps out the seat moments. It was a hell of a lot more violent than NuWho too. Primeval was like Season 7 or 13 compared to NuWho which never left the tonal area of Season 24.
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 23, 2021 19:08:20 GMT
Let's face it; they fokking messsed them all up... I wouldn't say that about the Daleks. Honestly. They were treated with respect in Davies era. Even though I prefer Remembrance, Revelation and even Resurrection to any new who Dalek stories, if I'm being honest I think they were better handled in the Davies era. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jan 12, 2022 18:30:05 GMT
The main thing which pisses me off about NuPooh is just how sanitized and afraid to take risks it is, particularly in regard to violence. (i.e. the drawing back of the camera during the Dalek "massacre" in Parting Of The Ways) It's one of the chief reasons why I always preferred Primeval which was a lot darker, higher on the body horror and jumps out the seat moments. It was a hell of a lot more violent than NuWho too. Primeval was like Season 7 or 13 compared to NuWho which never left the tonal area of Season 24. There's next to no blood in NuWho either, which is very telling. Brain of Morbius, Deadly Assassin, Caves of Androzani, the majority of season 22 etc all feature it, and aeons of stories which are light on gore content are quite heavy on violence for what is fundamentally a family series. The Crusade (where implied sexual violence is even thrown in), Inferno, Terror of the Autons, Genesis of the Daleks, Seeds of Doom... The new series rarely ever delves into these avenues. Yes, it occasionally implies at a fear factor, but it's rarely, if ever, actually remotely gritty, often offset by tonal inconsistency or a bizarrely pressing need to be "hip". |
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