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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 18:14:09 GMT
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Mar 9, 2022 18:59:56 GMT
What a simp. The more Eccleston opens his mouth, the more unlikeable I find him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 19:34:02 GMT
Where’s the guy who quit because of unprofessional behaviour, the man who refused day of the Doctor because the person he wanted wasn't part of it?
Is he hard up for money, drunk the coolaid or just lost his edge? Or maybe he was just full of shit to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 19:43:03 GMT
He's come out with some truly ridiculous things over the last two years or so.
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Post by iank on Mar 9, 2022 20:52:45 GMT
He's becoming a real embarrassment to the franchise. RTD must be rueing the day he ever cast him.
f*ck you, Eccles, you're making me side with DAVIES!
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 9, 2022 21:46:20 GMT
Over to you, Bernard... 
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Post by Bernard Marx on Mar 9, 2022 23:52:12 GMT
Over to you, Bernard...  Thank you for the leeway. *Sigh*. What does he think he's gaining by spouting this rubbish? I don't understand him at all. On the one hand, he comes across as a genuinely principled person when it comes to walking out of NuWho, and his broader persona is refreshingly candid and vulnerable too. He seems opposed to the Modus Operandi of media-triangulation and PR in these scenarios, so why does he feel obliged to paradoxically play into it at every opportunity in situations like this? He seems to be experiencing a degree of cognitive dissonance... |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 10, 2022 9:13:27 GMT
What a simp. The more Eccleston opens his mouth, the more unlikeable I find him. The funniest bit was when he said the only way you get me again is if you just have me. LOL I didn't want him the first time round! I wanted Dylan Moran or Tim Curry. The first sign that RTD didn't know what he was doing was when he cast an actor who can only play big dour Northern guys like himself as an eccentric, aristocratic, professorial alien. In all fairness though Eccelston I think has just drunk the cool aid on this as he certainly isn't part of the New Who PR machine. Doesn't excuse it though. He should know better and the very idea that Jodie could be considered the best of anything is actually an insult to women more than anything else. Jodie Whittaker clearly, by any measure is dreadful in that role. She is even more lost at doing eccentric than Eccelston was. Her idea of wacky is to pick her nose, dress like a 70s kids presenter, and pull faces like Richard Richard, Arnold Rimmer and Mr Bean (all of whom pulled those kinds of faces to be deliberately annoying, obnoxious and stupid looking!)     She hasn't ever conveyed the Doctors age, any alien qualities, the idea that she is any of her predecessors is laughable as our pictures of her with Hartnell show. At the same time however what has she brought to the character? How would you describe her Doctor even just quickly? Jon Pertwee is the action Doctor for instance, Troughton the cosmic hobo, what is Jodie? She's just a bad impression of David Tennant. Her era has also by any measure been a failure, having actually managed to unite classic era fanboys and RTD worshippers in their hatred, whilst driving mainstream audiences away to the point where the show has its lowest viewing figures of all time and killing the merchandise stone dead. (Something which even the hiatus never did.) She is an absolute disaster, but saying she is the best in spite of all of this is basically saying. "It doesn't matter what a woman is actually like in this role. The fact that she is a woman means we have to praise her no matter what." It's the same with Missy, and why I get so angry at people who say she channelled Delgado, or who say Eric Roberts was too OTT yet Michelle Gomez was menacing. "DON'TTT FEEEEEL BAAAAAAAAD IIIII'LLL MISSSSSS HER TAAAAAEEEEEEEE". These people are not holding women to the same high creative standard as they do men. If they did Missy would ALWAYS be at the bottom of every single Master poll, and Jodie would similarly be at the bottom of every single Doctor poll. Male actors in both roles like Colin Baker, Eric Roberts, hell even David Tennant and John Simm have been universally condemned for considerably less by these very same fans! Ironically I don't talk down to women. I think women can give as good performances and create as good art as men. I like Amy Winehouse's music because I think it is great music. Love is a Losing Game can hold its own with any song by Jim Morrison or any other great male song writer. Similarly Buffy is as good as any male led genre classic. Lucy Lawless is as large and charismatic a personality as Tom Baker and William Shatner. I don't need to praise the absolute worst female entertainers or performances just to show that I support women in the arts, and the more that attitude becomes popular, the worse female entertainment will be. Gone are the days when Amy Winehouse actually had to earn that praise because her music was well crafter, sung and unique. Now the worst tripe like Doctor Who, Ghostbusters 2016 will earn praise just because they star women, which is why female characters are suffering as no one has to bother when writing a good female character the same way they do a man. |
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Post by zarius on Mar 11, 2022 11:01:53 GMT
Where’s the guy who quit because of unprofessional behaviour, the man who refused day of the Doctor because the person he wanted wasn't part of it? Is he hard up for money, drunk the coolaid or just lost his edge? Or maybe he was just full of shit to begin with. The man's been a through a lot coping with anxieties, depression, and mental illness. I don't blame him at all for 'losing his edge', not that I think you need an edge after a while, nobody can keep that up and stay healthy. What else can he do? If he says Jodie is naff, it sours his relations with the fans in attendance and clouds their whole day, and it also validates all the worse aspects of the NMD movement, it's objectively terrible publicity for him and the franchise to tear down the current era while it's still airing. I look at the silver lining, the bit before he said Jodie was the 'best' was that the father of them all was William Hartnell. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 13:38:40 GMT
I just think it's arse licking of the highest order.
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Mar 11, 2022 17:58:14 GMT
He could have been complimentary towards the current era without implying its superiority over every other. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 11, 2022 18:09:20 GMT
The man's been a through a lot coping with anxieties, depression, and mental illness. So have many of us. Notably, without completely losing touch with our critical faculties.
If felt necessary, it's perfectly possible to make positive, conciliatory noises without proclaiming someone "The greatest" when they don't even remotely merit it.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 11, 2022 18:11:37 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 11, 2022 18:28:24 GMT
Where’s the guy who quit because of unprofessional behaviour, the man who refused day of the Doctor because the person he wanted wasn't part of it? Is he hard up for money, drunk the coolaid or just lost his edge? Or maybe he was just full of shit to begin with. The man's been a through a lot coping with anxieties, depression, and mental illness. I don't blame him at all for 'losing his edge', not that I think you need an edge after a while, nobody can keep that up and stay healthy. What else can he do? If he says Jodie is naff, it sours his relations with the fans in attendance and clouds their whole day, and it also validates all the worse aspects of the NMD movement, it's objectively terrible publicity for him and the franchise to tear down the current era while it's still airing. I look at the silver lining, the bit before he said Jodie was the 'best' was that the father of them all was William Hartnell. I appreciate your admiration for Eccelston in speaking about issues like depression, anxiety and mental illness. I do too. Also to throw Jodie a bone (not that she's a dog, LOL but you know what I mean.) Jodie Whittaker is a far, far, far, FAR better singer than Jon Pertwee. The gulf between them as singers is the same as the gulf between them as Doctors, just the other way around. That's at least one way she is more talented than previous Doctors. (And another sci fi icon William Shatner too LOL. Though Lucy Lawless I think still has her beat in that area sadly. )Jodie should have taken up singing instead of acting. Who knows maybe Caro Emerald would have been a total f*cking disaster if she'd been cast as the Doctor too. Still this goes to show that I can even acknowledge Jodie's talents. I just don't believe in talking down to women and sorry Eccelston was doing that with this statement. (As are all the Missy channels Delgado, or even the Missy was a good Master people too.) You might say "oh you can accuse anyone of talking down to people if they praise someone you don't like that way" but hear me out. When it comes to me praising Amy Winehouse, I praise her for what she DID. Now fair enough that praise is just opinion. You might think her music was crap. (If you have no taste like Adam LOL.) Still I don't think it was so yes in my mind I am praising her for the music she made. However imagine if I said that Amy's song f*ck Me Pumps, channelled Frank Sinatra and was the perfect recreation of the type of song that Bing Crosby used to sing in an effort to praise her. You or any Bing Crosby fan would rightfully say "WTF are you on about?" because that's an objectively wrong statement regardless of taste. Similarly when these people on GB say that Missy channelled Delgado, or even that she and Jodie did a good job playing those characters. That is objectively false. Even if you enjoyed their performances. No, Jodie and Michelle Gomez were not believable as playing the same characters as Roger Delgado, Anthony Ainley, William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton etc. In that respect they failed, and again male actors before them who people think failed for less, like Roberts being a bit OTT get trashed. Yeah Roberts was OTT, but he didn't f*cking snog the Doctor or fly in on an umbrella. Similarly even Ten Inch didn't respond to someone worried about cancer coming back "Eiiiiiiiiiiiiii I'm socially awkward!" Jodie and Michelle failed to play the Doctor and the Master. Even if you think that their characters were better. (Not saying YOU in particular Zarius, just you in general LOL) Then that's fine. That is just taste, but to pretend that they were proper versions of the Doctor and the Master is just talking down to women. Essentially a woman in either of those roles doesn't have to put in a tenth as much of the work as a man. Jodie didn't even look over old tapes or acknowledge her predecessors at all. Eccelston meanwhile with this comment is perpetuating that bullshit and that's why he's played a blinder here IMO. |
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Post by mistressrani on Mar 11, 2022 18:52:09 GMT
He could have been complimentary towards the current era without implying its superiority over every other. He's entitled to have that view though or are views deemed 'wrong' not allowed? |
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