What is it with 80s nostalgia

[burrunjor]

Jan 16, 2024 22:02:08 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

Couldn't have been all bad. Frank Miller emerged during that time and he's one of the best comic book writers ever.

Sorry again he is an example of that type too. 

Much like Moore he does have some talent yes, but his work is often needlessly perverse and he also was the one that began the whole idea of the Joker being gay for Batman, which in turn became the edgy thing to do with all villain/hero relationships, culminating in Missy!

[burrunjor]

Jan 16, 2024 20:45:13 GMT burrunjor said:

I will say one thing we can blame the 80s for is the ruination of comic books. Mind you this took root more in the 90s, but it was definitely there in the 80s.

That's when the generation of saddo, wanker, edge lord, I have to deconstruct things, because my creative writing class told me, generation of writers like Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, and Mark Millar took over. These guys were the epitome of self loathing fanboys who wanted to write comics and sci fi and fantasy, but couldn't stand being seen as writers for silly, childish genres and mediums like comics and so they filled their shit full of nasty, perverted trash just to look adult from Snow White raping her dad and Prince Charming being a necropheliac rapist, in Neil Gaiman's version of Snow White, to Alan Moore doing a story that reimagines many fairy tale female characters from Wendy to Alice as victims of pedophilia, to Grant Morrison having the Mekon rape Dan Dare and him kill himself afterwards. Sadly these wankers would influence the industry for the next several decades, with the Fitzroy Crowd more or less growing out of them via the edge lord virgin new adventures. Also much like the Fitzroy Crowd their influence at least has hung around like a bad smell, hence why James Gunn, a similar edge lord who sticks in random scenes of Elliot Page raping Rainn Wilson into his comedies is now being put in charge of DC and is adapting a f*cking Grant Morrison story. Lord save us.

It's a shame because some of these guys did have talent, like Alan Moore. I'd be lying if I said he didn't write some great stuff like Killing Joke, but honestly most of the time you wouldn't know as he's too busy trying to deconstruct something, or again filling it full of perverted crap to avoid looking childish to tell a f*cking story. I'd say that 70 percent of his work is absolute f*cking wank as a result. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is probably the best example. It's a good idea, and would have made a great excuse for a barmy, imaginative adventure in another writers hands, but dear god is it one of the worst comics ever written because again it's full of needless scenes of rape, turns the Invisible Man into a pedophile, who molests other famous literary characters, and is all about deconstructing these characters like making James Bond a rapist, Harry Potter a villain etc that there is no enjoyment to be had in something that could have had Dracula fight Martians! The film though not a masterpiece is vastly superior to it in every way to be honest, and it made me laugh how pissy Alan Moore and his snobbish fanboy twats got at how unfaithful it was to his masterpiece. Yeah because turning the Invisible Man into a pedo rapist who lifts up girls skirts and hangs around in girls schools is really what HG Wells would have wanted, you wanker.

If you think I'm being too hard on Moore, look at this quote that shows what a nasty piece of work he is. 




 Jesus Christ you'd think he'd written f*cking War and Peace with that ego. Not a shitty, overrated, teenage, pretentious shit fest like Watchmen. The day these wankers are seen for what they are, the better the medium and genre will be. Bring back the Terry Nation's and Terrance Dicks who just wanted to tell good stories and not show off how f*cking adult and edgy they were. 

I think it is safe to say this aged well LOL. 

I was hating Neil Gaiman for being a degenerate pervert before it was cool, though obviously even I didn't know how on the mark I was. 

[burrunjor]

Watched an 80s classic Conan The Destroyer today. Decent fantasy flick.

The absolute highlight of the film is Grace Jones. Again she's further proof of what I'm saying that Hollywood actually doesn't like genuinely threatening looking women. From Famke Janssen, to Gina Carano (even pre cancellation) to Lucy Lawless none of them were given the careers they should have by mainstream Hollywood. All only got leading roles on tv or genre b-movies. In A films they were always cast as kinky villains. 

(Granted in Grace Jones case she may have just been too difficult, but hey lot's of male stars like Lee Marvin were difficult and it didn't harm their careers?)

Grace Jones really should have had an action career to rival any guys. She may not have been an athlete but her insane persona more than made up for it. That bit where she is tied up and the guys are supposed to be executing her but she keeps stabbing them, I wonder if that was scripted or just them trying to get Grace Jones to shoot a scene and they decided to film it LOL. 

That said there is a hilarious scene where she gets scared of a mouse that showed she could take the piss out of her tough girl image too. 

I so wish Grace Jones character got her own spin off movie. In a way Conan 2 is kind of like an 80s Hercules Legendary Journey's, with Grace being a proto Xena, the badass babe that the big muscle bound male hero rescues and she looks up to him before carving her own journey as a hero. Shame we never got to see that with Grace though. I'd much rather have seen 5 films with her than another Conan movie. 

I also liked the main female villain. She was seriously sexy. I mean I didn't want her to torture me quite as badly as I want Alti to torture me, but I'd definitely let her chain me up and have her way with me again and again. 

Also it starred budget Christopher Lee , Ferdy Mane who as always put in a good show. Really the only problem with it was that maybe with such a large cast everybody wasn't used as well as they could have been. The female villain and Ferdy for instance don't have much screen presence and even Grace Jones didn't get to kick as much ass as I'd hoped. 

It definitely wasn't as good as the first film which benefited from a smaller cast, but it's an overlooked fun fantasy film. The 80s truly was the golden age for fantasy films. Only the 00s comes close due to the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but overall 80s is still the golden age of fantasy. 

[burrunjor]

Just googled and the evil dominatrix queen in Conan 2 is none other than one of Maxil's favourites Zod's hench woman from Superman 2. I didn't recognise her, though it's been a while since I've seen Superman 2 mind.

I can't think of a more Maxil film with that in mind haha. Grace Jones, Superman 2 babe and the 1980s. He needs to see it if he hasn't.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

Aug 24, 2024 22:00:12 GMT burrunjor said:

Just googled and the evil dominatrix queen in Conan 2 is none other than one of Maxil's favourites Zod's hench woman from Superman 2. I didn't recognise her, though it's been a while since I've seen Superman 2 mind.

I can't think of a more Maxil film with that in mind haha. Grace Jones, Superman 2 babe and the 1980s. He needs to see it if he hasn't.

Yes, Sarah Douglas is absolutely delicious. She's one of those women that looks great with both short and long hair. I think that's her second best film after Superman II.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

I used to think Back to the Future and Die Hard were the best films of the decade and perhaps they still are, but The NeverEnding Story is my favourite now. I'm not being pretentious or anything, but for someone who suffers from chronic depression the idea of "the Nothing," a destructive force made stronger by the loss of hopes and dreams, is perhaps the strongest and most effective symbolism of depression I've seen in a movie. It is within this dark and often sad film that I find some sort of solace. There's a warmth to things. The more deperate Atreyu's journey gets, the more I become involved. I've spent many a dark and wet night wrapped up warm reliving the adventure. I even have time for the second one.

I'd be very upset if they remade it. There's a ton of stuff in the book that never made it to the films so I don't know why they don't just make up a story around those things instead.