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Post by burrunjor on Mar 5, 2021 14:10:53 GMT
Been watching a lot of old superhero cartoons in the lockdown.
The likes of Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Spider-Man 94 and Justice League still hold up to this day. They are treated more like animated dramas than just cartoons, and have story arcs, proper drama, distinct characterisation for the leads etc.
I was thinking however that if these cartoons didn't exist so many people might not have been introduced to classic characters, as not everyone has read the comics, and at the same time a lot of these characters haven't been adapted to live action.
With this in mind Britain needs its own animated industry that can bring characters like Dan Dare, Judge Dredd etc to life as animated series. (Hell even a Doctor Who animated series, not based on Jodie of course, but with a new 9th Doctor and in the style of the original.)
I know there have been a few isolated cartoons of characters like Dan Dare, but it's not enough. (I personally wasn't keen on the Dan Dare cartoons of the 00s anyway.)
I'd like to see full blown animated adaptions of the 50s and 60s Dan Dare comics, based on the style of Frank Hampson.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 14:34:27 GMT
Is Superman TAS any good? I'm a big fan of the live action movies from 1978 to 2006, but I've never really been interested in other Superman things beyond that.
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 5, 2021 14:50:49 GMT
Is Superman TAS any good? I'm a big fan of the live action movies from 1978 to 2006, but I've never really been interested in other Superman things beyond that. It is excellent. Clancy Brown is the definitive Lex Luthor. He's as well cast in that role as Roger Delgado was as the Master. In some ways I think they are comparable. Lex and the Master are supposed to be charming, megalomaniacal, suave intelligent villains, but sadly people tend to make them goofy, stupid, crazy villains, like Gene Hackman's Lex (sorry I wasn't a big fan of his version) or Jessie Eisenberg's version and obviously the new who Masters. If you enjoy Superman TAS I'd recommend watching the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited series. They are all set in the same continuity as one another (Along with Batman TAS and Batman Beyond.) You don't have to watch Justice League, but it does continue the story of characters like Lex Luthor and Darkseid. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 15:07:45 GMT
Is Superman TAS any good? I'm a big fan of the live action movies from 1978 to 2006, but I've never really been interested in other Superman things beyond that. It is excellent. Clancy Brown is the definitive Lex Luthor. He's as well cast in that role as Roger Delgado was as the Master. In some ways I think they are comparable. Lex and the Master are supposed to be charming, megalomaniacal, suave intelligent villains, but sadly people tend to make them goofy, stupid, crazy villains, like Gene Hackman's Lex (sorry I wasn't a big fan of his version) or Jessie Eisenberg's version and obviously the new who Masters. If you enjoy Superman TAS I'd recommend watching the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited series. They are all set in the same continuity as one another (Along with Batman TAS and Batman Beyond.) You don't have to watch Justice League, but it does continue the story of characters like Lex Luthor and Darkseid. Oh, I love Hackman as Luthor. I enjoyed him as well as his cronies Otis and Miss Tessmacher. He's probably my favourite actor in the original Superman series. I've never understood why some people don't like him. Eisenberg's version is rubbish however. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 5, 2021 17:39:00 GMT
It is excellent. Clancy Brown is the definitive Lex Luthor. He's as well cast in that role as Roger Delgado was as the Master. In some ways I think they are comparable. Lex and the Master are supposed to be charming, megalomaniacal, suave intelligent villains, but sadly people tend to make them goofy, stupid, crazy villains, like Gene Hackman's Lex (sorry I wasn't a big fan of his version) or Jessie Eisenberg's version and obviously the new who Masters. If you enjoy Superman TAS I'd recommend watching the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited series. They are all set in the same continuity as one another (Along with Batman TAS and Batman Beyond.) You don't have to watch Justice League, but it does continue the story of characters like Lex Luthor and Darkseid. Oh, I love Hackman as Luthor. I enjoyed him as well as his cronies Otis and Miss Tessmacher. He's probably my favourite actor in the original Superman series. I've never understood why some people don't like him. Eisenberg's version is rubbish however. Gene Hackman is a great actor. He's a bit too jokey as Lex however. Luthor should be more charismatic, serious and charming like Delgado or Blofeld. Hackman insisted on playing him as a bit of a clown because he felt that it was the only way he could save his reputation as a serious actor playing a comic book villain, a role that no one could ever play seriously. In this respect when you compare him to Jack Nicholson who embraced all of the campy elements of the character, but still took it seriously, it's not hard to see why the latter was more beloved. Hackman's performance is still certainly very enjoyable, but it's not really like the Luthor from the comics. I'd say it's like Missy in that respect, but it's obvously not as bad LOL. If you want to see the real Luthor, the Superman TAS and Justice League cartoons will show you why he is one of the greatest villains of all time. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 6, 2021 16:49:01 GMT
I hoped as a fellow 2000AD fan, Rob would have some opinions on this.
For instance I've always thought Caballistics would have made a brilliant series of animated films.
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 6, 2021 21:10:16 GMT
I hoped as a fellow 2000AD fan, Rob would have some opinions on this. For instance I've always thought Caballistics would have made a brilliant series of animated films. I think Caballistics would work better as live action tv drama personally. It would be great if the UK had an animation industry(which I suppose it does when it comes to CGI animation), but first things first, I wish it had a bloody comics industry! Its been neglected and almost completely wiped out over the course of the last 30 years. It's only The Beano, Viz, 2000AD and Judge Dredd megazine titles which currently survive. That's rubbish. At one time I remember at least 15 different titles on the mainstream news stands. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 6, 2021 22:27:25 GMT
I think it would need an animation industry. Sadly comics just aren't that mainstream a medium. Batman is famous because of the Adam West series, and Spider-Man is famous because of the 94 animated series.
I'm not saying that both characters weren't well known before then, but it was those shows that introduced millions more people to the characters and their villains.
To me if we want characters like Dan Dare to be popular again, an animated series should come before a comic series. A comic just won't get the traction. A comic can come after of course.
(PS I am not saying this because comics are less of a medium than tv of course. They just don't reach as wide an audience. Dan Dare at its most popular only reached 3 million, which is a record low for Doctor Who.)
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 6, 2021 23:04:09 GMT
I think it would need an animation industry. Sadly comics just aren't that mainstream a medium. They used to be in this country and still are in Europe, Japan, US etc. So why not the UK? |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 7, 2021 9:19:25 GMT
I think it would need an animation industry. Sadly comics just aren't that mainstream a medium. They used to be in this country and still are in Europe, Japan, US etc. So why not the UK? Again though you have to ask why? Like I said Batman became mainstream after Adam West. Prior to that, the comics were on the brink of cancellation and DC nearly folded in the 50s. Spider-Man meanwhile, again it was the 94 animated series. Speaking as someone who grew up in the 90s, it was that series that introduced me to Spider-Man and his rogues gallery, and Marvel Comics. In Japan meanwhile animated Manga movies are a huge deal too which has obviously brought a lot more support to the comics. If Britain were to do say a 2000 AD universe like the DCAU, and adapt the old Dan Dare comics then that could similarly help the characters become part of the zeitgeist and bring more people to the comics. (I'd love to see a shared Doctor Who animated universe too, made up of an alternate Who sequel, a Romana spin off animated series, an Absolam Daak animated series, and a UNIT series. Those four could be a strong foundation for it. Though obvs we wouldn't want to get into Big Finish and give a spin off for every character LOL, but again Animation would be too expensive to do that so it would keep it in check.) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 16:10:34 GMT
Oh, I love Hackman as Luthor. I enjoyed him as well as his cronies Otis and Miss Tessmacher. He's probably my favourite actor in the original Superman series. I've never understood why some people don't like him. Eisenberg's version is rubbish however. Gene Hackman is a great actor. He's a bit too jokey as Lex however. Do you think the same about Kevin Spacey as Lex? |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 7, 2021 16:20:09 GMT
Gene Hackman is a great actor. He's a bit too jokey as Lex however. Do you think the same about Kevin Spacey as Lex? I found him fairly bland in the role. He was on a par I'd say with Jared Leto as the Joker. Not bad per se, but just a fairly generic villain in a movie where he doesn't get much to do. I'm not just saying that because of what came out about him LOL. I believe in separating the art from the artist and Kevin Spacey was excellent in A Bugs Life. This scene is still hysterical. It reminds you that monster is a relative term. Sadly however as Lex he just didn't really make much of an impact. |
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