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Post by zarius on Dec 16, 2021 15:51:06 GMT
Anyone seen this yet? I watched a midday screening.
It's easily the best MCU Holland movie. He's great here, he's not the clown, he's not Tony Jr, he lives and breathes Peter Parker, making mistakes, paying the price, allows doubt to creep in, before ultimately striving to do better.
Best Spidey film since Spidey 2 overall.
The Raimi trilogy for me were movies that worked well, even the worst of it is somewhat revered these days and not just through ironic enjoyment and meme mutation. One of the best things about Spider-Man 3 was Sandman and he really was the villain I enjoyed a lot of in this entry.
Holland's movies I'm sort of mixed on, Homecoming has bright spots, but I don't care much for Far From Home except for the cliffhanger. You could lop off that london drone attack and attach it to this movie without really needing all of that fake-out stuff about the multiverse seeing as Peter gets it confirmed to exist here.
The Raimi films are consistent with character and continuity, Hollands' movies...aren't. Take Zedaya for instance, she does well in this one, emulating the kind of MJ I'd like to see more of in Spider-Man movies. One a bit more truthful to the comics. She plays all kinds of roles here, an unwavering pillar of strength for Peter. She's a far cry from the person she was in either Homecoming and to some extent Far From Home. All of that snarkiness and condescending behaviour has entirely evaporated. I'm not sure if I should give that a thumbs up for ignoring things that made me dislike her or fault the films for their inconsistencies.
There is still plenty of the usual trademark MCU comedic quips and banter in the movie that I could really do without ("Scooby Doo This S*it"), but thankfully Holland plays it straight pretty much throughout, leaving only Ned to rattle them off every minute he's on screen.
Place was electric yesterday when I caught the 12 PM screening. Especially when they turned up.
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Post by iank on Dec 16, 2021 20:45:12 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 17, 2021 9:10:18 GMT
Love Spider-Man. Looking forward to this.
I just feel sorry for John Semper. He created the Spider-Verse and nobody ever gives him credit for it.
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Post by zarius on Dec 17, 2021 9:56:21 GMT
Love Spider-Man. Looking forward to this. I just feel sorry for John Semper. He created the Spider-Verse and nobody ever gives him credit for it. Oh that's a shame. You'd think he'd get a mention in the credits for the Spider-Verse movie or this one...but that goes to Dan Slott instead, when all he did was rip off the concept and wrote a very mean-spirited bloodbath which broke several toys. What makes that perplexing in modern times is that you'd think they'd be celebrating Semper's contributions to Spider-Man due to him being a POC at a time when breakthroughs like the late Dwayne Macduffie were on the rise, bu Marvel never did approach him to write a comic book continuation of the animated series or even a Miles Morales title. I really enjoyed his Cyborg run a few years ago when he worked at DC. Would have loved a movie based off of it. |
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Post by zarius on Dec 17, 2021 11:50:31 GMT
Is Tobey in it? Suppose he is, would you have a tear, or dirt in your eye?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 16:12:38 GMT
Spoilers ahead.
I saw a clip on YouTube where a cinema audience reacted to Tobey Maquire's return. It was mad. I must admit I'm curious to see it because it has Tobey, Defoe's Goblin and Doc Ock from Spider-Man 2.
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Post by Genkimonk on Dec 17, 2021 21:39:59 GMT
How woke was this?
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Post by zarius on Dec 18, 2021 7:46:19 GMT
It wasn't. May and MJ aside, there's barely any women in this or any sort of preaching. This one is very much a lad's movie with end-of-the-world stakes and character work put first. If you're worried about Zendaya in particular, don't, she helps out and is very supportful towards Peter, she doesn't diminish him like in the last two movies, she's almost an entirely different and more mature character here, a bit like the Mary Jane of the latter stages of the comic when she became Peter's confidante, she even has to be saved by a man towards the end, which she's grateful for, and even at the end with all that happens to her, she doesn't kick Peter to the curb and a very nice scene plays out between them. As for May, she's great too, even though she doesn't get much to do outside her 'big' moment, but again, she doesn't get the better of the bad guys. She dumps Happy at the start but it's a typical break-up and nothing that makes her look she 'needs no man', it's described as just a flirt that runs it's course. |
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 18, 2021 11:24:26 GMT
Love Spider-Man. Looking forward to this. I just feel sorry for John Semper. He created the Spider-Verse and nobody ever gives him credit for it. Oh that's a shame. You'd think he'd get a mention in the credits for the Spider-Verse movie or this one...but that goes to Dan Slott instead, when all he did was rip off the concept and wrote a very mean-spirited bloodbath which broke several toys. What makes that perplexing in modern times is that you'd think they'd be celebrating Sempers contributions to Spider-Man due to him being a POC at a time when breakthroughs like the late Dwayne Macduffie were on the rise, bu Marvel never did approach him to write a comic book continuation of the animated series or even a Miles Morales title. I really enjoyed his Cyborg run a few years ago when he worked at DC. Would have loved a movie based off of it. I think the way Dan Slott and Marvel treated John Semper was shameful. I'm always saying that no one and nothing is original. Everybody takes from everybody else, so I don't mind them doing something similar, but for Marvel to then leave him out in the cold and for Slott to then lie and say that their version has nothing to do with his to undermine him was awful. Slott claimed the Spider-Verse wasn't inspired by Spider-Man TAS, just the video game, Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions. Only thing is that video game was inspired by Spider-Man TAS LOL. The fact that Madame Web was the one who brought all the Spider-Men together in Shattered Dimensions alone proves this. Madame Web NEVER had that role in the comics. She was just a mutant with some weird powers and a minor character. It was Semper who made her the interdimensional being that brings all the Spider-Men together in Spider-Man TAS. Semper really is the unsung hero of modern Spider-Man. Both films that came out this year, Venom and No Way Home owe a lot to him. (Remember that the idea of the Venom symbiote making its host go nuts also comes from his series, not the original comics.) I think Marvel dislike Semper because he is an outsider. It's not just Doctor Who, all of these franchises have obnoxious cliques that run them, and Semper at the time was known to fight with the people behind the scenes at Marvel. Ironically that was often in order to do things that they now profit from., like the multiverse idea. Still they evidently never forgot it and blacklisted him and made out he was difficult to work with. I'm amazed he gets any work nowadays to be honest. I did write an article about the 90s series influence on popular culture. The Batman Who Laughs is also a complete lift from Spider-Carnage, but sadly it was for the Scottish Comic Con website and they later destroyed the article after they fired me for daring to say that Missy was crap, that Gina Carano wasn't a Nazi sympathiser, and that modern genre series should just write black and female characters as people like in Red Dwarf and Xena, rather than making them into trophies for the writers to boast about like in that ghastly Supergirl series. Ironically in their attempt to silence the supposed racist, white nationalist, Nazi me, they ended up destroying something that was drawing attention to the work of a black man, who as you say, has made significant contributions that Marvel are now making billions from, but who has been replaced in the history books by a white man! |
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