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Post by Spark Doll King on Jan 20, 2024 0:10:33 GMT
Popped up in my recommended the other day.
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Post by zarius on Feb 11, 2024 18:19:31 GMT
Him constantly going after all the conservative fans on Youtube, devoting two hours worth of content to address every minute of their videos, cannot be healthy for him.
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Post by iank on Feb 11, 2024 20:55:06 GMT
I'm afraid I give less than zero f*cks about fandom drama. I barely give a f*ck about the program these days.
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Post by zarius on Feb 12, 2024 8:19:17 GMT
I've actually made the decision to no longer support the show on blu-ray. I still love the series, but I'm at the point now where I'd rather spend money honing my skills so I can make my own entertainment, plus I need to lighten the load in my house. I'm considering donating most of my nu-who and Torchwood stuff to charity shops.
I don't really buy much of The Collection sets either. In fact the only ones I have are the McCoys. My old DVDs and I-player suffice just as fine and I don't have any of the naffer serials.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Feb 12, 2024 12:30:14 GMT
. I'm considering donating most of my nu-who and Torchwood stuff to charity shops. Zarius, that's positively inhumane... |
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 12, 2024 12:40:53 GMT
. I'm considering donating most of my nu-who and Torchwood stuff to charity shops. Zarius, that's positively inhumane... Some it might make good kindling for the homeless on long, cold nights. |
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Post by rushy on Feb 12, 2024 12:48:02 GMT
One day this show might actually produce a decent spinoff
(sorry, SJA fans, I thought it was tripe)
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 12, 2024 13:19:52 GMT
One day this show might actually produce a decent spinoff (sorry, SJA fans, I thought it was tripe) The Paternoster Gang was their best bet. Popular characters, charismatic actors, cool creature designs on the leads that would help it stand out, wouldn't step on the main shows toes as they exist in the past, and where never leads so it wouldn't feel like we were harking back to an old era too much instead of moving on, the way other spin offs about main companions can. Also the very premise of a Dinosaur woman, an alien from the future and a cockney Ninja fighting crime in Victorian London is a wonderful eclectic mix of characters and genres that only DW can do due to its formula. A spin off I think should reflect that, and also much like DW, you could explore all kinds of different sub genres through the characters different backgrounds. Everything from Sherlock Holmes pastiches, to vampire stories, to alien invasions to Dinosaur stories, to gothic haunted house stories. It was a missed opportunity. Why the f*ck they thought a spin off about Coal Hill School was a good idea I can't fathom? As much as I like UNIT. I'm not sure they'd have been a good option either despite always being touted as such. In fact I don't think they'd have been a good option at any point. If there had been a UNIT spin off in say the late 70s, again due to their connection with Pertwee, it would have just felt like the Pertwee era running alongside the Tom Baker era and stepped on Tom's toes. In the modern age meanwhile there is no character that is as strong as the Brig that people would want to see lead such a show. The most popular New Who UNIT character by far is Osgood (who typically RTD doesn't like.) Most people find Kate to be a boring legacy character (which she is) whilst the others are all forgettable, but even then as much as I love her, Osgood has had just 4 episodes on tv, so it's not like that's a big enough name to lead a spin off. Finally UNIT divorced from the Doctor are not that original a concept anyway. It's just another secret organisation designed to track down aliens, and it's not as big or as colourful as say Shield or MIB. That works fine when the Doctor is there, as his presence gives it an extra edge, but beyond that? It feels like things we've seen dozens of times of times in other shows and movies before. In fact as alien invasions in modern day are a staple of DW itself, the UNIT show would just be what we see in the parent show, but without the lead character. I will say though and I know nobody is going to take me seriously on this which is fair enough LOL, but a spin off about Bonnie, the other Zygon Osgood would have been great. Ship has sailed now for that, as it's been ten years and on top of that the main show is in such dire straits I don't see any spin off working. Still hypothetically you'd have Ingrid Oliver reprise her role obviously and you'd have Bonnie working on her own, no UNIT who she'd cut ties with, hunting down extraterrestrial creatures throughout the UK. You could also explore what happened to the other Zygons on earth, not all of the time, but now and again have enemies and allies among the Zygons and humans, including some who want to make Bonnie pay for her past sins. (Maybe a colleague of the UNIT soldiers she gunned down.) You could also explore her past, show us the Zygons home planet, how she had become radicalized, how her home planet was destroyed, see Skarasen's in their native habitat etc. I think there'd be some scope there as it would be different to what we see in DW, as it would be more low key, have a character who was wildly different from the Doctor and not just feel like a past era recreated. Hell if it had been a success, you could have even cast a different actress after a few years once Ingrid moved on as this character could change her face too. (You'd need to put some limit on her shapeshifting however, so as not to make her too powerful, and explain why she still looked like Osgood. I mean beyond the obvious reason of every woman on earth would want to look like Ingrid Oliver LOL, as it wouldn't make sense if she was on the road, that she would still want to look like someone UNIT recognised like Osgood, so you'd need to explain, maybe her link with Osgood was too strong, so she got locked into this form, but can still resume her old form every now and again, allowing Bonnie to sometimes Zygon out the way Angel would vamp out in fights, but like I said if Ingrid wanted to leave after say 4 years, you could then have her establish a link with someone else and so on and so on.) |
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Post by rushy on Feb 12, 2024 13:33:46 GMT
I might be more lenient towards the Paternoster Gang if they'd gotten a proper introduction instead of "here's a bunch of characters you're supposed to immediately find iconic". None of whom had the depth of a puddle, I might add. I could've thrown together a gay body-morphing Axon, a tiny pet Mechanoid, a dude in a trenchcoat and a lady Kaled Muto with a cat tail and had the same effect.
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Feb 12, 2024 16:57:28 GMT
Coming soon from Big Finish Productions...a gay body-morphing Axon, a tiny pet Mechanoid, a dude in a trenchcoat and a lady Kaled Muto with a cat tail
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 12, 2024 20:12:36 GMT
I might be more lenient towards the Paternoster Gang if they'd gotten a proper introduction instead of "here's a bunch of characters you're supposed to immediately find iconic". None of whom had the depth of a puddle, I might add. I could've thrown together a gay body-morphing Axon, a tiny pet Mechanoid, a dude in a trenchcoat and a lady Kaled Muto with a cat tail and had the same effect. Not true at all. The eclectic mix only works if you can still do a proper story with it. Also the mix you described doesn't fit. Why would an Axon be gay unless RTD was writing LOL. They aren't even individuals, they are just a blob that can take the form of individuals if need be. No reporduction, no sexuality, no genders. Mechanoids are famously awkward as they are even more limited physically than the Daleks, and have no real persona to exploit, the dude in the trenchcoat is not a character, and a Kaled Muto is too dark a subject for something so light hearted. Meanwhile the Paternoster Gang work because the Silurians can be good and evil just like us. In fact I'd argue Madame Vastra redeemed the Silurians somewhat. We are always told that they were a benevolent race who have just been forced into a bad situation, yet every story has shown them to be xenophobic, genocidal lunatics and monsters who torture, experiment on and butcher scores of innocent people and then play the victim when we fight back. Vastra however finally shows another side to them, and does help to bring back the original darker side to the original Silurians ending, as you wonder how many like her were killed rather than thinking. "Good job he nuked them as they have been shown to be as bad as the Daleks in every story since like The Sea Devils, Warriors of the Deep, even the derivative Chibnall two parter where they horribly torture Amy Pond and try to cut her up when she's alive etc." All those stories simply told us there are nice Silurians who could have lived with us, Vastra showed it. Also it makes 0 since creatively to always make the Silurians villains anyway when the whole point of them is again that they are a race of individuals, unlike the Daleks. Honestly that's why they ended up being so boring for decades, because every story would just repeat the original because it thought they had to be villains, but would insist "oh but they're nice really, feel sad when their latest attempt to experiment on us and wipe us out with chemical warfare didn't work LOL, Vastra finally did something new with them. Also there's no reason a Silurian can't be gay? Animals, including birds are gay, so why not a Silurian. I'll give you that Vastra and Jenny being a reptile and a human are a bit odd when you think about it, but to be fair those kinds of relationships are common in sci fi, from Chantho and Yana, to G'kar and his penchant for human women in Babylon 5, to Kirk and his green babes etc. Meanwhile the Sontarans are a race that are obsessed with war, so focusing on one that sees their cause is worthless is quite an interesting dynamic. I actually found Straxs death in A Good Man Goes To War quite moving. In a way it was like the soldiers in WW 1 who similarly thought it was an honour to die for Queen and country becoming scared at the last moment. The only problem with Strax was that they didn't explore this side enough, or have a story where he had to choose between his own people and Vastra, but again the spin off leaves room for that. Also it's not so unrealistic they would all meet, not just because they know the Doctor, but the Sontarans have time travel, an empire and have been around since the middle ages, so Strax could have easily just crashed in London, or projected himself backwards or forwards through time like Linx did and ended up stuck in Victorian times. Meanwhile the Victorian setting not only gives scope for stories of all kinds from gothic horror to old fashioned Holmsian crime stories and murder mysteries, but it also allows you to tap into certain aspects of Victorian literature and history that are relevant to those characters as well. For instance back then Dinosaurs and evolution which are obviously a big part of Vastra's backstory were ground breaking discoveries, whilst the subject of alien life really took off in literature too. There's a lot you can tap into there in terms of influences for both of those characters. To me it's an obvious choice for a spin off. |
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Post by iank on Feb 12, 2024 20:40:51 GMT
I'd have watched it just for Jenny.  |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Feb 12, 2024 22:08:35 GMT
Zarius, that's positively inhumane... Some it might make good kindling for the homeless on long, cold nights. Yeah, fair point. Dump the stuff, Zarius! When people are in need give all you can. Mind you, the fumes'll probably cause irreversible brain damage for a 50-mile radius... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2024 3:15:18 GMT
I've actually made the decision to no longer support the show on blu-ray. I still love the series, but I'm at the point now where I'd rather spend money honing my skills so I can make my own entertainment, plus I need to lighten the load in my house. I'm considering donating most of my nu-who and Torchwood stuff to charity shops. I don't really buy much of The Collection sets either. In fact the only ones I have are the McCoys. My old DVDs and I-player suffice just as fine and I don't have any of the naffer serials. I store basically all my media on an external drive, including TV. The one exception is Classic Who, simply because I can't find a good enough download and I don't fancy bulk buying a load of DVDs, which would be next to useless anyway because my oh-so-modern computer doesn't have a disc drive. The iPlayer quality is appalling on both the old and the modern show, and I managed to easily find good quality downloads for NuWho. Some Classic seasons are okay, such as season 7, but the McCoy and C. Baker ones are completely garbled in almost every instance and I don't enjoy the idea of hunting each season down individually. Perhaps I'll just get the essential episodes. The look of videotape is very interesting to me, but basically every episode I've watched of Classic DW has been strained through ugly digital noise due to low-quality rips or crappy web-hosting services. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2024 3:28:43 GMT
One day this show might actually produce a decent spinoff (sorry, SJA fans, I thought it was tripe) It was good for what it was, but it was a children's show after all, which makes it no surprise at all that you didn't enjoy it upon watching as an adult. I remember loving it as a kid but I watched an episode recently and it left me cold. The Trickster's design is arresting enough, but the way he talks and the dialogue surrounding it is very pantomime and silly. There's a way to do these sorts of shows without making it so plainly infantile. In this respect perhaps SJA missed the mark, but seeing as it's fondly remembered by lots of kids my age, I would say it did its duty well enough. However, I think I'm done sullying these childhood memories for now, considering how brutally this episode slapped me over the head with the catastrophic realisation that the scripts were actually pretty shoddy and the acting sophomoric at best. |
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