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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 21:22:58 GMT
Heard it's season 22 next. Two all-time classics in succession! In no universe is 21 better than 17... I think you'll find that Season 21 is better than 17 in most universes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 21:34:22 GMT
As for Season 22, there's some good stuff in there for sure. Attack and Two Doctors are probably the only classics of his era although I don't think Twin Dilemma and Timelash are as bad as people say to be honest. I have no idea why, but I like watching Timelash over Christmas. Must be the tinsel in the Timelash or maybe it's just the design of the story. Either way, it's quite fun. Mark of the Rani is quite a nice little historical too. I'm afraid I don't like Vengeance on Varos despite Peri looking her best in that story. Revelation doesn't interest me either despite a few pleasant memories of watching it back in 2012. I'm afraid Colin has put me off the era a bit. I also think it's the worst era of the classic although that's not to say that it's bad. Season 23 is partly good thanks to the late Tony Selby and good cast members like Bonnie and of course Yolande Palfrey. Mindwarp is the absolute worst, though. No redeeming that one I'm afraid.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 11, 2021 21:49:02 GMT
Heard it's season 22 next. Two all-time classics in succession! In no universe is 21 better than 17... I'd say it is. 21 does have two far worse stinkers in the shape of Twin Dilemma and Warriors of the Deep. Also City of Death is better than anything in 21 in my opinion. However season 17 is a bit tired and shoddy in places. Destiny is one of the weaker classic era Dalek stories, and the lamest appearance of Davros. Creature from the Pit is let down by the blow job scene, and I honestly can't even remember Horns of Nimon, other than the MY DVWEAMS OF CONQVESSSST. Tom and Lalla admittedly do have better chemistry than Peter and his companions do, but still overall to me season 17 was a sign the Baker era was nearing its end. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 21:49:09 GMT
I do agree that Season 17 is quite good. People only shit on it because it's often funny which doesn't click with this famously miserable fandom.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 11, 2021 22:01:34 GMT
As for Season 22, there's some good stuff in there for sure. Attack and Two Doctors are probably the only classics of his era although I don't think Twin Dilemma and Timelash are as bad as people say to be honest. I have no idea why, but I like watching Timelash over Christmas. Must be the tinsel in the Timelash or maybe it's just the design of the story. Either way, it's quite fun. Mark of the Rani is quite a nice little historical too. I'm afraid I don't like Vengeance on Varos despite Peri looking her best in that story. Revelation doesn't interest me either despite a few pleasant memories of watching it back in 2012. I'm afraid Colin has put me off the era a bit. I also think it's the worst era of the classic although that's not to say that it's bad. Season 23 is partly good thanks to the late Tony Selby and good cast members like Bonnie and of course Yolande Palfrey. Mindwarp is the absolute worst, though. No redeeming that one I'm afraid. I wouldn't let Colin put you off it. He's hardly a dick, just a bit misguided in trying to appeal to the wrong audience. I also think in all fairness he does have a lot to be bitter about when it comes to Who. His treatment from all involved, the Beeb, the c*nty fans and even the production team in the shape of Saward was horrible. I just wonder though what it is that made him suddenly so angry when he wasn't before? For years he was always despite his mistreatment the most enthusiastic Doctor. He was known to be the nicest Doctor to fans and never complained about his lot. Then it was round about the 50th anniversary he started to complain about always being voted the worst and gradually after that he started to get grumpier at conventions and other appearances from what I'm told, and then he seemed to talk more about negative experiences and his bitterness at the way he was treated? My brother had a not very good experience with him in 2015. He wasn't mean at all, but when my brother said he liked Mark of the Rani, Colin said quite sadly "well glad someone likes my stories." What happened to make him change his outlook so much? Maybe he just bottled it up so much, and when he started to get trashed as the man who killed it during the New Who hype, that set him off and it all just came pouring out. Either way it's really sad, but I won't let that put me off him or his era. I really like season 22. If the show had been allowed to develop at that pace with that style it could have been a new gritty golden age that reflected the 80s as well as the ray gun gothic of the Hartnell era reflected that time. Sadly however we all know it was sabotaged, and season 23 for me is crap. Not because of Colin, it's just a bad idea all around. |
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Post by iank on Oct 11, 2021 22:30:22 GMT
21 is okay, I just find the Davison era fairly bland these days. Gimme Tom and Lalla and Williams/Adams wacky any day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 22:33:31 GMT
I love the Davison era. Kinda, Earthshock, Mawdryn, Enlightenment and Resurrection are some of my absolute favourites. That said, I much prefer the Sylvester McCoy era. Nothing beats Remembrance or Fenric.
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Post by RobFilth on Oct 12, 2021 12:56:25 GMT
I reckon we'll get a Davison one next. My money is on Season 21. That's a good bet. A better season. I don't believe it. Rani's actually come out with something I'm in agreement with. Are you feeling well Rani? Are you sure you don't need a little lie down or glass of water or anything? |
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Post by iank on Oct 12, 2021 20:52:10 GMT
You want to watch it, Rob. You'll be shipping Ten and Rose and wearing white gym underwear soon.  |
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Post by RobFilth on Oct 12, 2021 21:02:26 GMT
You want to watch it, Rob. You'll be shipping Ten and Rose and wearing white gym underwear soon. Lol. I think it's Rani who is not feeling quite right, not myself. He must be a bit under the weather. It's all that sitting in his deck chair in the pissing rain with his tinnies. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 12, 2021 21:23:22 GMT
You want to watch it, Rob. You'll be shipping Ten and Rose and wearing white gym underwear soon. If he praises Missy I'll have to break his legs LOL. |
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Post by RobFilth on Oct 13, 2021 4:29:05 GMT
You want to watch it, Rob. You'll be shipping Ten and Rose and wearing white gym underwear soon. If he praises Missy I'll have to break his legs LOL. You've got to be joking, she was the complete bane of the Capaldi era. I almost gave up watching altogether because of her annoying twatty behaviour, "My name's Doctor Whoooooooo, that's what he calls himself, Doctor Whooooooooo!" I'm not given to misogyny or violent thoughts or behaviour, but I'm not joking if that woman was in close proximity to me going through one of her testing prat routines I would most likely have to handcuff my hands to some large immovable object in order to maintain control and avoid all thoughts of bloody well throttling her. WHY was possibly the best cast actor in the lead role in NuWho hampered by such SHITE? Missy ruins practically every single story she appears in. In almost every scene she appears in, she is intensely irritating. She isn't the Master either, it's drivel. The Masters acts with a certain charm and suaveness of which she possesses absolutely none. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 13, 2021 9:08:35 GMT
If he praises Missy I'll have to break his legs LOL. You've got to be joking, she was the complete bane of the Capaldi era. I almost gave up watching altogether because of her annoying twatty behaviour, "My name's Doctor Whoooooooo, that's what he calls himself, Doctor Whooooooooo!" I'm not given to misogyny or violent thoughts or behaviour, but I'm not joking if that woman was in close proximity to me going through one of her testing prat routines I would most likely have to handcuff my hands to some large immovable object in order to maintain control and avoid all thoughts of bloody well throttling her. WHY was possibly the best cast actor in the lead role in NuWho hampered by such SHITE? Missy ruins practically every single story she appears in. In almost every scene she appears in, she is intensely irritating. She isn't the Master either, it's drivel. The Masters acts with a certain charm and suaveness of which she possesses absolutely none. I was of course just joking as I know you are a man of good taste normally. (Also to be fair I wouldn't break your legs either. I'm friends with many Missy fans, even if I can't fathom that stunning lapse of good judgement. At most I'd just bore them with a tedious lecture LOL.) Still this post is brilliant and it just depresses me that this isn't the consensus. The idea that guys like Topher Grace and Jared Leto still get grief for their versions of villains like Venom and the Joker, whilst official lists PRAISE Missy actually makes me sad. Not because I like those versions. I actually agree with what most people say about them, but at least both of those guys were at least actual attempts to do the characters in question. If Leto's Joker were like Missy, then he wouldn't have even been a clown. That is how unfaithful she was to the original Master. Hell even Simm's Master as bad as he was it annoys me when I see sheep say he was awful and then praise Missy. What can they possibly hate about him that they don't hate about her? At least Simm though twatty and annoying had some traits of the Masters character, IE lust for power, manipulative streak with his wife, hypnotic powers, hatred of the Doctor. It sadly just goes to show if you pander to the right shallow form of politics, and if you are in with the snobby mainstream critics like Moff was (the very same type of critics who would have bashed DW in the 90s.) Then you can get away with anything. It's quite sad in a way to know that things like being faithful to the character you're adapting, getting the casting right, etc are ALL secondary to being in with the right clique. If Leto had said that his Joker was representing some marginalised community, and was friends with the right critics, then the consensus would have been that he was better than Hamill, Nicholson and Ledger combined. (Mind you Batman fans aren't the self loathing saddos that DW fans are, so desperate to win the approval of the shallow media types to avoid another wilderness years, so maybe that wouldn't happen in another fandom to quite the same extent.) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 12:11:11 GMT
I'm going to buy this next week.
I'd rank the season like this:
Destiny
Nimon
City
Creature
Nightmare
Shada
All stories are good fun and I absolutely adore Lalla Ward. I won't collect all of the Blu ray seasons, just the ones where I consider the whole season to be solid rather than a few individual stories. That's why I probably won't pick up Season 19.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2021 12:15:21 GMT
Heard it's season 22 next. Two all-time classics in succession! In no universe is 21 better than 17... I'd say it is. 21 does have two far worse stinkers in the shape of Twin Dilemma and Warriors of the Deep. Also City of Death is better than anything in 21 in my opinion. However season 17 is a bit tired and shoddy in places. Destiny is one of the weaker classic era Dalek stories, and the lamest appearance of Davros. Creature from the Pit is let down by the blow job scene, and I honestly can't even remember Horns of Nimon, other than the MY DVWEAMS OF CONQVESSSST. Tom and Lalla admittedly do have better chemistry than Peter and his companions do, but still overall to me season 17 was a sign the Baker era was nearing its end. I always thought Tom was on the top of his game in Season 17. He's a complete nutter and it feels like people behind the cameras are letting him to do what he wants which results in great entertainment. He looks a bit depressed in Season 18, but then it's a humourless season for the most part. |
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