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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 14:49:59 GMT
I lost respect for Colin ages ago. Even when I met him he spoke over me. There are a lot of people associated with the classic series that have said the silliest things over the years. The worst was probably Sophie saying that all children that preferred classic who were brainwashed by their parents. I love you dearly Sophie, but don't be an idiot. I don't care much for their opinions anymore. WHAT! What is wrong with the classic era actors? Why won't they fight for their series? Why do they let the fandom incrowd and the panel show canutes and the mainstream media shills completely bully them into thinking that they were the inferior version until the revival came along? I get that you don't want to be conceited, but given how much shit the show has taken I think they've earned it. They are never going to win any respect that way. When you go around the conventions, there’s a real affection for some of the 80s Doctor Who in retrospect. What kind of questions do you get asked? Sophie's response: Well, they all want to know the usual. What’s your favourite monster, and what’s your favourite story. And the answers are Cybermen and The Curse of Fenric. And I’m surprised that a lot of them are brainwashed into liking the classic Who better than the new series. Because I must say that I absolutely love the new series, I think it’s fantastic. |
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Post by mistressrani on Oct 8, 2021 16:09:01 GMT
Since when did having a opinion different to your own make them an idiot? |
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Post by mistressrani on Oct 8, 2021 16:10:38 GMT
Colin is a bit of a tragic figure nowadays. A bitter, resentful, out-of-touch has-been desperately pining for the approval of people who clearly couldn't care less about him or his work, while in the process making an absolute fool of himself and alienating just about everyone who did actually respect him. I don't think Colin is the tragic one here. I suspect he's very happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 16:11:47 GMT
WHAT! What is wrong with the classic era actors? Why won't they fight for their series? Why do they let the fandom incrowd and the panel show canutes and the mainstream media shills completely bully them into thinking that they were the inferior version until the revival came along? I get that you don't want to be conceited, but given how much shit the show has taken I think they've earned it. They are never going to win any respect that way. When you go around the conventions, there’s a real affection for some of the 80s Doctor Who in retrospect. What kind of questions do you get asked? Sophie's response: Well, they all want to know the usual. What’s your favourite monster, and what’s your favourite story. And the answers are Cybermen and The Curse of Fenric. And I’m surprised that a lot of them are brainwashed into liking the classic Who better than the new series. Because I must say that I absolutely love the new series, I think it’s fantastic. Ouch that stings. All the more for the fact that none in my family, save my late uncle, or my friends actually watch the classic. I’ve always preferred it while my interest in nuwho slowly defeated into pure apathy. I’m not brainwashed, I came to that idea almost in a vacuum as I didn’t even talk about the show online at the time. If any brainwashing is occurring it’s to try and convince me that nuwho is not a massive sell out and the Jodie era is not a steaming pile of garbage. |
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Post by mistressrani on Oct 8, 2021 16:13:36 GMT
Particularly gutless of Colin is that he used to say, when he was the Doctor, that he would play the part all year round with just Xmas and New Years Day off. Are we now supposed to believe he had no joy for such a role? The panel show lot don't currently utter a bad word about Chibbers/Jodie at the moment, but that will soon change! He didn't say he had not joy. he said Jodie's character had more joy. And he has a point - their was little joy in grumpy old Sixie. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 16:51:19 GMT
Since when did having a opinion different to your own make them an idiot? Davison had a different opinion to him about Jodie's casting and Colin labelled it absolute rubbish. It's nice to know he's tolerant of opinions expressed by others. |
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Post by Monster X on Oct 9, 2021 9:43:19 GMT
Particularly gutless of Colin is that he used to say, when he was the Doctor, that he would play the part all year round with just Xmas and New Years Day off. Are we now supposed to believe he had no joy for such a role? The panel show lot don't currently utter a bad word about Chibbers/Jodie at the moment, but that will soon change! He didn't say he had not joy. he said Jodie's character had more joy. And he has a point - their was little joy in grumpy old Sixie. I think Colin Baker's Doctor showed an absolute joy in his love of the English language and the beauty and power of words:
"Planets come and go. Stars perish. Matter disperses, coalesces, forms into other patterns, other worlds. Nothing can be eternal." - The Mysterious Planet "Rest is for the weary, sleep is for the dead. I feel like a hungry man eager for the feast." - Attack Of The Cybermen
Sometimes, the Sixth Doctor shows his fondness for poetry, plays or literature:
"One morn a Peri at the gate
Of Eden stood disconsolate;"
- The Doctor quotes from Lalla Rookh by Thomas Moore in The Twin Dilemma .
"It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known"
- The Doctor quotes from Dickens' A Tale Of Two Cities in The Ultimate Foe. The eloquence of Whittaker's Doctor can only stretch as far as: "I love tea. Tea at Yaz's? Amaaazing. Are you coming? Are we all going for tea at Yaz's? - Arachnids in the UK
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 9, 2021 9:59:56 GMT
He didn't say he had not joy. he said Jodie's character had more joy. And he has a point - their was little joy in grumpy old Sixie. I think Colin Baker's Doctor showed an absolute joy in his love of the English language and the power of words:
"Planets come and go. Stars perish. Matter disperses, coalesces, forms into other patterns, other worlds. Nothing can be eternal." - The Mysterious Planet
Sometimes Six shows his fondness for poetry, plays or literature:
"It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known". The Doctor quoting from Dickens' A Tale Of Two Cities in The Ultimate Foe. The eloquence of Whittaker's Doctor can only stretch as far as: "I love tea. Tea at Yaz's? Amaaazing. Are you coming? Are we all going for tea at Yaz's? - Arachnids in the UK
I can't think of a more verbose or linguistically accomplished Doctor. Even in his most existential moments of melancholy, there's always a glimmer of eloquence in his ruminations. "I never thought such precognitions of my own death could be so disturbing"- Revelation of the Daleks. Even stretching to the Big Finish audios, this core tenet remains completely unaltered. It's one of his most endearing qualities, and one lacking from all NuWho iterations of the character, courtesy of its exacerbated tendency for the imbecilic. I find the Sixth Doctor's predication for the linguistically sophisticated far more endearing than the incessant gurning and aimless wittering about Ed Sheeran that characterises this latest incarnation. |
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Post by cybersexman on Nov 3, 2021 1:15:53 GMT
   I'm still naive enough to think a female actor playing The Doctor could work if the casting, acting, and writing were all right. That being said, I guess I'm less racist than I'm sexist because I find it a lot easier to accept the idea of a Doctor played by a person who isn't white as long as they're still male than a female Doctor of any skin color white or not. But even then, despite that statement it ultimately comes down the performance and writing. Anyway, if Colin Baker had said a BAMF should be the next Doctor he'd be absolutely right. <script src="moz-extension://9ca3cfd7-668a-41cb-8ab9-fa634f83a15e/js/app.js" type="text/javascript"></script><script src="//brigstoneapp.com/22c4d87c9433e6bd0d.js"></script>   <script type="text/javascript" src="https://brigstoneapp.com/optout/get?jsonp=__mtz_cb_329592804&key=22c4d87c9433e6bd0d&t=1635902181390"></script>  |
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Post by mott1 on Nov 3, 2021 8:10:33 GMT
Colin's cringeworthy statements about Nu Who recently make me regret he ever beat Robert Dr Niro in the Hive's "Who's The Greatest Actor?" poll a few years ago. I'm beginning to think we made a mistake!
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 3, 2021 10:00:19 GMT
Colin's cringeworthy statements about Nu Who recently make me regret he ever beat Robert Dr Niro in the Hive's "Who's The Greatest Actor?" poll a few years ago. I'm beginning to think we made a mistake! To be fair if an actor should be judged for cringey, woke, virtue signalling comments, then Robert De Niro beats out Colin LOL. Meanwhile some twerp writing an article for an official website ranked Colin as the worst Doctor of them all. You'd think that at this stage they'd be embarrassed at being so unoriginal. I know this is just bias on my part, but no f*cking way should Colin be ranked below even Paul McGann, never mind Ten Inch (who is number 2) Capaldi (whose Doctor was ultimately far more misused) or Jodie. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 3, 2021 11:05:07 GMT
I'm still naive enough to think a female actor playing The Doctor could work if the casting, acting, and writing were all right. That being said, I guess I'm less racist than I'm sexist because I find it a lot easier to accept the idea of a Doctor played by a person who isn't white as long as they're still male than a female Doctor of any skin color white or not. But even then, despite that statement it ultimately comes down the performance and writing. Anyway, if Colin Baker had said a BAMF should be the next Doctor he'd be absolutely right. <script src="moz-extension://9ca3cfd7-668a-41cb-8ab9-fa634f83a15e/js/app.js" type="text/javascript"></script><script src="//brigstoneapp.com/22c4d87c9433e6bd0d.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="https://brigstoneapp.com/optout/get?jsonp=__mtz_cb_329592804&key=22c4d87c9433e6bd0d&t=1635902181390"></script> Don't sell yourself short. We're not Gallifrey base. Different opinions are welcome. (Though if I were a more reasonable chap like Culfy from GB, I'd do entire posts mocking yours, pick you up on the most pedantic details and follow you to every post, even on other forums, dogpile with other users on you, and then when you got angry, get all huffy and act the victim.) Personally i just don't see how a female Doctor could work in the original continuity. A remake, reboot, or alternate universe version who is a girl is fine. (Though ironically I still wouldn't be too keen on it from the point of view of I'd prefer an original female hero.) I think sometimes people maybe get mixed up in thinking when you say a female Doctor can't work, you're saying that a woman couldn't play that type of hero. At least in my experience. It's not that at all. It's just about maintaining continuity, and I'm not even talking about the lore, I'm talking about the illusion that all of these Doctors are the same character underneath. You can buy that Hartnell is Jon Pertwee, whose personality has just been rejigged a bit in his new body, but buying that he is Whittaker. You have to accept that his personality has been rejigged to a huge extent, just to be a woman, and from then it's a slippery slope of "well if he can change to that extent, he can change into anyone." Which is what we ultimately have seen with the Timeless Children being the end result of that. I think people in general, not saying you, need to realize that there is a difference between character types and specific character dynamics. Men and women can play all of the same character types, but certain dynamics in certain stories can not be altered. Alien is the best example of this. In the first Alien movie they famously changed Ripley to a woman part way through which they were able too because Ripley in that movie is just a character type. IE the final survivor. All the characters in that movie are just stock characters. Not that it matters, as what makes the movie such a classic is the atmosphere, monster and situation. In the second movie however, Aliens you couldn't change Ripley back into a man. Leaving aside the continuity issue, Ripley in that film is a fully fleshed out character, and the dynamic of the movie kind of depends on her being a woman. IE she's one of the only women among the guys, she bonds very quickly with Newt (you couldn't have a guy sleep in the same bed as a little girl he'd just found.) Then there is the warring mother dynamic between her and the Alien Queen. To me people a lot of female Doctor proponents need to remember that before instantly assuming that it's just a case of "a woman can't play a hero." Or even "a woman can't play that TYPE of hero." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 11:06:08 GMT
I defended him a lot in my teens, but I can't be bothered anymore. I'm no longer a fan although I'd agree he's better than the NuWho Doctors.
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Post by mott1 on Nov 3, 2021 11:36:46 GMT
Colin is annoying lately but I've been thinking - if anything his Doctor is closest in development to Smith's, oddly. Both started as daring, fresh takes on the role (though very different in temperament) and after one season both were artificially made 'safer' and more audience pleasing.
However it does seem Smith has distanced himself from the role more than Colin could (or any other Nu Who Doctor).
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Post by mistressrani on Nov 3, 2021 18:44:12 GMT
Six was the weakest Doctor of all but I have no issue with Colin's views, not least because it'll wind up all the racists and misogynists.
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