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Post by ClockworkOcean on Sept 29, 2021 12:31:26 GMT
Patronising, insulting attempts at pandering to the working class with cringeworthy, Murdoch-esque caricatures of the working class.
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 29, 2021 12:33:21 GMT
Patronising, insulting attempts at pandering to the working class with cringeworthy, Murdoch-esque caricatures of the working class. Jackie Tyler was a very empowering role for women. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Sept 29, 2021 12:39:20 GMT
Patronising, insulting attempts at pandering to the working class with cringeworthy, Murdoch-esque caricatures of the working class. I read a review of Mawdryn Undead on IMDb once which affirmed that the story was "inaccessible" for the working classes, courtesy of being set in a posh boys' school, before making the declaration that RTD made Doctor Who "for the proletariat", or something of the kind. If only the review expanded upon that point, because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. When does RTD era Who ever offer any insight into working class struggle? Was his era supposed to be the televisual equivalent of a Science Fiction-based Ken Loach film, for fu.ck's sake? I suppose it features stereotypes who live in council estates (and whom are often portrayed as materialistic and self-serving), so that must be enough by default. Completely surface level in every sense. |
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Post by mott1 on Sept 29, 2021 12:51:22 GMT
Patronising, insulting attempts at pandering to the working class with cringeworthy, Murdoch-esque caricatures of the working class. I read a review of Mawdryn Undead on IMDb once which affirmed that the story was "inaccessible" for the working classes, courtesy of being set in a posh boys' school, before making the declaration that RTD made Doctor Who "for the proletariat", or something of the kind. If only the review expanded upon that point, because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. When does RTD era Who ever offer any insight into working class struggle? Was his era supposed to be the televisual equivalent of a Science Fiction-based Ken Loach film, for fu.ck's sake? I suppose it features stereotypes who live in council estates (and whom are often portrayed as materialistic and self-serving), so that must be enough by default. Completely surface level in every sense. What c*nt wrote that review!? I guess the story would have been more 'accessible to the working classes' if the Brig had been nipping round to bang Jackie Tyler on the estate instead. Not sure what Turlough would be doing there though! |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Sept 29, 2021 13:02:19 GMT
I read a review of Mawdryn Undead on IMDb once which affirmed that the story was "inaccessible" for the working classes, courtesy of being set in a posh boys' school, before making the declaration that RTD made Doctor Who "for the proletariat", or something of the kind. If only the review expanded upon that point, because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. When does RTD era Who ever offer any insight into working class struggle? Was his era supposed to be the televisual equivalent of a Science Fiction-based Ken Loach film, for fu.ck's sake? I suppose it features stereotypes who live in council estates (and whom are often portrayed as materialistic and self-serving), so that must be enough by default. Completely surface level in every sense. What canute wrote that review!? I guess the story would have been more 'accessible to the working classes' if the Brig had been nipping round to bang Jackie Tyler on the estate instead. Not sure what Turlough would be doing there though! Here's an excerpt from the review in question: "It's also noticeable that Strickson seems to be a little too old to be playing a public schoolboy and lacks a menacing edge needed for the character . Perhaps if the premise had Lethbridge Stewart teaching at a dead end school on a rough council estate we'd see a working class character with a Scouse or Glasgow accent played with a violent intensity by an unknown actor with a big future like Robert Carlyle . This confirms a criticism that the original series did pander to the middle classes too much and Russell T Davies made the new show identifiable to the proletariat" |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Sept 29, 2021 16:39:53 GMT
Patronising, insulting attempts at pandering to the working class with cringeworthy, Murdoch-esque caricatures of the working class. I read a review of Mawdryn Undead on IMDb once which affirmed that the story was "inaccessible" for the working classes, courtesy of being set in a posh boys' school, before making the declaration that RTD made Doctor Who "for the proletariat", or something of the kind. If only the review expanded upon that point, because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. When does RTD era Who ever offer any insight into working class struggle? Was his era supposed to be the televisual equivalent of a Science Fiction-based Ken Loach film, for fu.ck's sake? I suppose it features stereotypes who live in council estates (and whom are often portrayed as materialistic and self-serving), so that must be enough by default. Completely surface level in every sense. I must've missed the bit where Marx advocates keeping the proletariat stupid and without aspiration... |
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Post by iank on Sept 29, 2021 20:44:50 GMT
Are you sure it's not satire? It sounds almost like they're taking the piss to me.
Then again it is hard to tell the difference these days...
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Post by Bernard Marx on Sept 29, 2021 21:42:44 GMT
Are you sure it's not satire? It sounds almost like they're taking the piss to me. Then again it is hard to tell the difference these days... You'd think so, but the remainder of the review is an earnest (albeit not entirely warranted) critique of the story's continuity errors in relation to the UNIT dating to the point where I genuinely think they meant it. Having said that, it does combine that earnestness with some very amusing comments like the following: "It might seem strange that Lethbridge Stewart is now a teacher but Ian Chesterton was supposedly written to be that character and due to William Russell being unavailable the role was changed to accommodate Lethbridge Stewart. This is a pity, and once you know about this character change it does jar somewhat. If you're expecting a battle scene of soldiers against monsters that look like giant melted condoms, then you'll be very disappointed ." Maybe it is just a pisstake, yeah.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 22:19:36 GMT
Well its not only that stereo types are used, they are not exactly treated nicely either. Rose seems to have contempt for what she once was when she talks to he mum about her travels with the Doctor, and while Jackie dose rebuke her, there is never a single moment that actually shows that Rose was wrong. Just that she and her mum argue over it. Rose never choses to finally leave the Doctor and go back to her old life. In fact she has to be forcibly ripped away and by the end she and her mum are now living with their rich not-dad/husband. A man I might add seems only exist because his original self was a total failure when it came to business, he didn't actually do any better, he just lucked out by virtue of being born in the right universe.
So in the grand scheme of things the story is not actually building up the lower class at all, instead depicting them steryo types who need some guy to come along out of nowhere and take them away from it all. No personal growth, no accepting of who you are or were you came from, no bettering yourself, no earned rewards and worst of all no sacrifice. Especially after the Handy-Doctor comes along.
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Post by Monster X on Sept 30, 2021 5:37:29 GMT
Well its not only that stereo types are used, they are not exactly treated nicely either. Rose seems to have contempt for what she once was when she talks to he mum about her travels with the Doctor, and while Jackie dose rebuke her, there is never a single moment that actually shows that Rose was wrong. Just that she and her mum argue over it. Rose never choses to finally leave the Doctor and go back to her old life. In fact she has to be forcibly ripped away and by the end she and her mum are now living with their rich not-dad/husband. A man I might add seems only exist because his original self was a total failure when it came to business, he didn't actually do any better, he just lucked out by virtue of being born in the right universe. So in the grand scheme of things the story is not actually building up the lower class at all, instead depicting them steryo types who need some guy to come along out of nowhere and take them away from it all. No personal growth, no accepting of who you are or were you came from, no bettering yourself, no earned rewards and worst of all no sacrifice. Especially after the Handy-Doctor comes along. Good points - indeed, it could be argued that Davies presents the working class (via Jackie) as essentially feckless spongers. In 'Rose' Jackie is less concerned with the trauma Rose has suffered (after seeing her place of work destroyed) and more with how much compensation money she can wangle from the authorities. In 'The Christmas Invasion' Jackie approves of Harriet Jones because " I'm eighteen quid a week better off". We can assume she means £18.00 in weekly benefits - dole money, as we used to call it. This is what happens when you have a privileged, middle class writer trying to understand ordinary people and attempting to create fiction based around them. ( And sadly I realize I remember and know far too much about NuWho nonsense than I ought to.  ) |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 29, 2024 0:17:01 GMT
Honestly, the hysterical overreaction to this news from NuWho fans is completely misplaced. This'll be shite- void of any new ideas whatsoever and forced to pander shamelessly to a now bygone era. At last, a prediction I’ve managed to completely nail! |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Nov 29, 2024 0:28:12 GMT
Honestly, the hysterical overreaction to this news from NuWho fans is completely misplaced. This'll be shite- void of any new ideas whatsoever and forced to pander shamelessly to a now bygone era. At last, a prediction I’ve managed to completely nail!  |
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