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Post by Brian MK.II on Aug 28, 2021 17:19:45 GMT
Varos of course, it may have slack direction and a few gaffs (the golfcarts) but it's still a great script and prophetic in many ways whilst continuing Season 22's satirical darkly comic tone.
Mindwarp is just execrable. Honestly, I'd say it's on par with NuWho's worst (and that's saying something!)....
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Post by iank on Aug 28, 2021 21:09:40 GMT
Varos. Mindwarp is indeed utterly embarrassingly awful.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 29, 2021 22:25:38 GMT
Varos of course, it may have slack direction and a few gaffs (the golfcarts) but it's still a great script and prophetic in many ways whilst continuing Season 22's satirical darkly comic tone. Mindwarp is just execrable. Honestly, I'd say it's on par with NuWho's worst (and that's saying something!).... I don't think it's as bad as Whittaker's stuff, but I can't think of too many RTD era stories that are as bad as Mindwarp. Personally, despite its obvious flaws, I'll take Mindwarp over New Earth, Love and Monsters, Fear Her, Voyage of the Damned, Partners in Crime etc anyday.  |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 29, 2021 22:59:09 GMT
Those are obviously very bad, but Mindwarp is absolutely horrific. Literally unwatchable stuff. I say this as a JNT era fan as well. I find a lot to like in Twin Dilemma and even more in Timelash but Mindwarp is irredeemable. It's worthless and depressing. I hate it. I guess I've warmed to it over time, because I used to not like it much either, but there's an odd surreality to it and an uncertain merging of reality and simulation going on there that gives the story a vaguely hallucinogenic and hypnotic quality, despite its rushed and often very hammy nature. I know that it's largely hated on here, but I don't think it's quite as awful as some say these days. That said, I like season 23 more than I used to in general. My last re-watch of it gave me a renewed perspective on it, and although it's massively flawed and laden with budgetary and script issues (the production is obviously piss-poor for most of it), it's neatly ambitious and daring in places too. Try saying that about the RTD era's worst offerings. I'll see myself out. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 29, 2021 23:02:13 GMT
As for the question itself: Varos is the infinitely more polished script and ultimately the superior story by a long stretch, as well as having a pronounced satirical edge, and one relevant to 1980s Thatcherite Britain. The production is weak, but the ideas on display elevate it nevertheless.
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Post by Brian MK.II on Aug 30, 2021 11:29:40 GMT
It's not as bad as later Mofftwat/Chinballs output but it's still easily on par equally with Fathead's worst (Partners, Last Of The Timelords, Shite and Monsters and Journey's Bellend)
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