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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 13:26:22 GMT
The new Web of Fear animation is absolutely horrendous. Probably the worst animation thus far I would say. I'm not sure why anyone would pay almost £15 for a story they've already bought before just because one of the episodes is animated. I'd rather watch the telesnaps than this pile of shite. What a cash grab. If you scroll down through the comments you should be able to find MrTardis defend Chibnall again.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 18, 2021 13:39:14 GMT
The new Web of Fear animation is absolutely horrendous. Probably the worst animation thus far I would say. I'm not sure why anyone would pay almost £15 for a story they've already bought before just because one of the episodes is animated. I'd rather watch the telesnaps than this pile of shite. What a cash grab. If you scroll down through the comments you should be able to find MrTardis defend Chibnall again. Yeah, I've heard uniformly critical things about the animation and it looked pretty awful to me too. I'll just wait until the Season 5 Blu Ray set comes out before I consider buying the story again. |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Aug 18, 2021 13:55:15 GMT
Holy f*ck, that's awful. Give me telesnaps any day.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 18, 2021 14:03:15 GMT
Holy fokk, that's awful. Give me telesnaps any day. It looks like one of those low-budget fan-made YouTube animations, to be honest. I can't say it looks anything like a professional project. |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Aug 18, 2021 14:09:39 GMT
It looks like one of those low-budget fan-made YouTube animations, to be honest. I can't say it looks anything like a professional project. I've seen YouTube fan productions that outclass this shite by some distance. I'm still boycotting the animations over the Chibnall inserts, but wouldn't consider this worth the money even if I weren't. |
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Post by Brian MK.II on Aug 18, 2021 16:10:47 GMT
Kinell, I've seen games for the PS1 that have better graphics than that.
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Post by RobFilth on Aug 18, 2021 17:06:24 GMT
It looks better in black and white than it does in colour, but the Yeti and Troughton do look particularly poor and the character movements look like some shit Unreal engine rendering in 3d than have been doodled over the top.
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Post by Monster X on Aug 19, 2021 9:08:07 GMT
The animation for Episode Three is diabolically bad and makes the scrappy, amateurish 'Fury From The Deep' cartoon look like something from Studio Ghibli. I know the budget must be miniscule and I'm genuinely grateful that some thought/effort has been put into addressing the problem of the missing episodes, but oh dear, what were they thinking? I much prefer the recons.
There are a few other incentives to purchase The Web Of Fear again though, if you want - it includes a 38 Minute documentary 'Going Underground' - quite fun and informative ( though most people who made Web have sadly passed away), commentaries on all six episodes, a short 'Making The Animation' feature (pointless), the telesnap recon of episode three, animated trailer, photo gallery and 'The Missing Years' documentary (though this is quite a piss-take - the 1998 feature was previously available on 'The Ice Warriors Collection' (VHS) and then again on 'Lost In Time' (DVD). The previous 2014 Web release featured absolutely bugger-all except a short trailer for 'The Enemy of The World'.
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 19, 2021 9:20:32 GMT
The animation for Episode Three is diabolically bad and makes the scrappy, amateurish ' Fury From The Deep' cartoon look like something from Studio Ghibli. I know the budget must be miniscule and I'm genuinely grateful that some thought/effort has been put into addressing the problem of the missing episodes, but oh dear, what were they thinking? I much prefer the recons. There are a few other incentives to purchase The Web Of Fear again though, if you want - it includes a 38 Minute documentary 'Going Underground' - quite fun and informative ( though most people who made Web have sadly passed away), commentaries on all six episodes, a short 'Making The Animation' feature (pointless), the telesnap recon of episode three, animated trailer, photo gallery and 'The Missing Years' documentary (though this is quite a piss-take - the 1998 feature was previously available on 'The Ice Warriors Collection' (VHS) and then again on 'Lost In Time' (DVD). The previous 2014 Web release featured absolutely bugger-all except a short trailer for 'The Enemy of The World'. You'll probably be able to find those on youtube in due time though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 0:38:11 GMT
Well that at least saved me money. I'm all for reconstructions, even if they are done on a budget, provided there done competently. This is anything but, it's the same cheap arse CGI they used on their Dalek story only now it's done with models that look like they fell out of Gallifrey Base's sewer pipe and move as naturally puppets in the hands of a dyslexic alcoholic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 23:07:00 GMT
I'm not fond of this serial to be honest. People hate Tomb these days, but love this. I dunno, I think the former is more atmospheric and creepy.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 28, 2021 7:08:02 GMT
I'm not fond of this serial to be honest. People hate Tomb these days, but love this. I dunno, I think the former is more atmospheric and creepy. I love both of them myself, but yeah, I don't understand why Tomb gets lambasted these days given how iconic it is. Tomb is the more charming of the two, whereas Web of Fear is the better made and more refined of the two. Camfield's direction is impeccable, as is the sound editing and placement of iconic stock tracks. It isn't my absolute favourite Troughton story though, given that the base narrative is thinner than some, and episodes 1 & 4 are clearly superior to the rest (the initial Yeti attack and the Covent Garden battle are easily the highlights of the story), but it's a sound story that deserves far better than this remarkably weak animated effort. |
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 28, 2021 7:37:43 GMT
I'm not fond of this serial to be honest. People hate Tomb these days, but love this. I dunno, I think the former is more atmospheric and creepy. I love both of them myself, but yeah, I don't understand why Tomb gets lambasted these days given how iconic it is. Tomb is the more charming of the two, whereas Web of Fear is the better made and more refined of the two. Camfield's direction is impeccable, as is the sound editing and placement of iconic stock tracks. It isn't my absolute favourite Troughton story though, given that the base narrative is thinner than some, and episodes 1 & 4 are clearly superior to the rest (the initial Yeti attack and the Covent Garden battle are easily the highlights of the story), but it's a sound story that deserves far better than this remarkably weak animated effort. Simple it's because of people like Paul Cornell, Sue Perryman and the SJWs who think Tomb is racist. Personally though I don't think Tomb is. So what a black guy plays a servant? Unless the story actively says "this is the only type of role a black guy can play" then no simply casting a black actor in that type of role is not racist. Also I might add he isn't a servant. He is a professional bodyguard who is actually given a heroic role in the story. The reason he doesn't speak was also meant to be because he was deaf, though this was cut from the final version. Ironically of the two of them, The Web of Fear is MORE racist than Tomb. It has a Welsh character who is a bad stereotype. Toberman resists Cyber control and kills the Cyber Controller, the Welsh guy is a self serving coward and is even called a gibbering Welsh imbecile LOL. Still none of these arseholes ever comment on that. |
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Post by Monster X on Aug 30, 2021 9:27:12 GMT
I love both of them myself, but yeah, I don't understand why Tomb gets lambasted these days given how iconic it is. Tomb is the more charming of the two, whereas Web of Fear is the better made and more refined of the two. Camfield's direction is impeccable, as is the sound editing and placement of iconic stock tracks. It isn't my absolute favourite Troughton story though, given that the base narrative is thinner than some, and episodes 1 & 4 are clearly superior to the rest (the initial Yeti attack and the Covent Garden battle are easily the highlights of the story), but it's a sound story that deserves far better than this remarkably weak animated effort. Simple it's because of people like Paul Cornell, Sue Perryman and the SJWs who think Tomb is racist. Personally though I don't think Tomb is. So what a black guy plays a servant? Unless the story actively says "this is the only type of role a black guy can play" then no simply casting a black actor in that type of role is not racist. Also I might add he isn't a servant. He is a professional bodyguard who is actually given a heroic role in the story. The reason he doesn't speak was also meant to be because he was deaf, though this was cut from the final version. Ironically of the two of them, The Web of Fear is MORE racist than Tomb. It has a Welsh character who is a bad stereotype. Toberman resists Cyber control and kills the Cyber Controller, the Welsh guy is a self serving coward and is even called a gibbering Welsh imbecile LOL. Still none of these arseholes ever comment on that. Leaving aside the matter of Toberman, The Tomb Of The Cybermen also features Eric Klieg and his companion Kaftan, both ambiguously foreign, both untrustworthy and who both meet bad ends. Klieg (played by George Pastell, a Cypriot actor) is shown to be quite mad and Shirley Cooklin (playing Kaftan) was made up to look darker-skinned. Racist? I'll let you decide, but watch any of the adventure/spy/telefantasy TV series of the time - The Saint, Danger Man, The Avengers, Adam Adamant Lives, The Champions etc, and stories often featured foreign villains and masterminds up to no-good. This was a standard TV adventure plot device back then. Anyway, I prefer Tomb to Web - Web drags on, the redesigned Yeti look daft and Tomb has the added advantage of featuring the adorable Cybermats!. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 11:24:09 GMT
Simple it's because of people like Paul Cornell, Sue Perryman and the SJWs who think Tomb is racist. Personally though I don't think Tomb is. So what a black guy plays a servant? Unless the story actively says "this is the only type of role a black guy can play" then no simply casting a black actor in that type of role is not racist. Also I might add he isn't a servant. He is a professional bodyguard who is actually given a heroic role in the story. The reason he doesn't speak was also meant to be because he was deaf, though this was cut from the final version. Ironically of the two of them, The Web of Fear is MORE racist than Tomb. It has a Welsh character who is a bad stereotype. Toberman resists Cyber control and kills the Cyber Controller, the Welsh guy is a self serving coward and is even called a gibbering Welsh imbecile LOL. Still none of these arseholes ever comment on that. Leaving aside the matter of Toberman, The Tomb Of The Cybermen also features Eric Klieg and his companion Kaftan, both ambiguously foreign, both untrustworthy and who both meet bad ends. Klieg (played by George Pastell, a Cypriot actor) is shown to be quite mad and Shirley Cooklin (playing Kaftan) was made up to look darker-skinned. Racist? I'll let you decide, but watch any of the adventure/spy/telefantasy TV series of the time - The Saint, Danger Man, The Avengers, Adam Adamant Lives, The Champions etc, and stories often featured foreign villains and masterminds up to no-good. This was a standard TV adventure plot device back then. Anyway, I prefer Tomb to Web - Web drags on, the redesigned Yeti look daft and Tomb has the added advantage of featuring the adorable Cybermats!. "Tomb has the added advantage of featuring the adorable Cybermats!" And the adorable Victoria  Seriously, I agree with you here. I've never been that fond of Web especially compared to The Invasion. It's well made I suppose, but Tomb is more intriguing not to mention creepy. Nothing beats the atmosphere of that story. |
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