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Post by burrunjor on Aug 13, 2021 10:10:07 GMT
This might sound a bit petty, but given how much shit I got from pretty much everywhere. (Even on Archive) for being opposed to a female Doctor, I can't help but feel vindicated that it turned out to be a bigger disaster than I ever thought it would.
I'm just annoyed I can't rub it in the face of a lot of the twats of the IMDB board LOL. So many there who treated me like a crazy person for saying everything that is now just accepted, the Doctor can't be ANYONE, the show is being taken over by a pushy political ideology etc. I was saying all of this back in 2014 and getting shit for it.
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Post by RobFilth on Aug 13, 2021 13:19:25 GMT
"Do you feel vindicated by the female Doctors failure"
Quick answer is: No.
The arseholes calling everyone sexist who dared point out that Time Lords do not genderflip in their regenerations were never fans to begin with and evidently never watched the show bar a few Tennant episodes anyway and it was ALWAYS going to be shit with Chinballs running the show whatever gender the Doctor was.
I can proudly state I have never watched a single Jodie episode and most likely will not watch any of her successor either because the franchise is utterly dead as far as I'm concerned, just a bastardized non-relatable spin-off for attention-deficit morons.
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 13, 2021 15:11:57 GMT
"Do you feel vindicated by the female Doctors failure" Quick answer is: No. The arseholes calling everyone sexist who dared point out that Time Lords do not genderflip in their regenerations were never fans to begin with and evidently never watched the show bar a few Tennant episodes anyway and it was ALWAYS going to be shit with Chinballs running the show whatever gender the Doctor was. I can proudly state I have never watched a single Jodie episode and most likely will not watch any of her successor either because the franchise is utterly dead as far as I'm concerned, just a bastardized non-relatable spin-off for attention-deficit morons. Sadly that isn't true. I wish it were, but so many arseholes that jumped on board with the female Doctor crap were fans who grew up with the classic era. Arseholes like Culfy on GB, or that Paul Beardsley wanker I knew on an old forum. He'd written a book for the show during the wilderness years ffs. All these twats loved to make out that they were just more forward thinking, less anoraky etc and well now look where they've ended up. I blame them the most for what happened as the people pushing for the genderflip would have just been cranks without them. |
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Post by iank on Aug 13, 2021 21:11:20 GMT
Yes, it's the spineless quislings I can't stand the most. Turncoats the lot of 'em.
I can't say I feel vindicated, though. More depressed at how crushingly obvious it was that this was going to be an enormous f*ckup.
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Post by RobFilth on Aug 14, 2021 13:11:13 GMT
All these twats loved to make out that they were just more forward thinking, less anoraky etc That's exactly why they were never fans to begin with, just because you watch a show doesn't mean you are a fan, particularly if you scoff at those fans who adhere to and respect continuity plot points. I've watched loads of programmes I wasn't particularly engaged with, nor cared for it's continuity or characters because I wasn't a fan. Eastenders is one of them, and introducing the Daleks landing a spaceship in Albert Square and killing all the characters seems like a good plot device and "forward thinking" to me, but to those who ARE actual fans it would probably be a terrible idea. |
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Post by zarius on Aug 14, 2021 16:17:17 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 14, 2021 16:32:31 GMT
This radio times twat doesn't know anything. He actually thinks Chinballs era failed because it was too like Classic Who and thinks the all change is good format is what the show needs. I even agree with some of the issues raised – but they place far too much blame on the show, and not enough on who’s navigating the ship. Doctor Who’s lifeblood is experimentation and imaginative ambition – when Russell T Davies revived the show in 2005, the Doctor became more human than ever; he loved, he lost, he raged and he mourned. He redefined the character at its core, fundamentally changing the show as a whole for the better.
More recently, the introduction of a female Doctor gave the chance of redefinition again – but showrunner Chris Chibnall’s era often felt like a step backward toward Classic Who’s edutainment, ticking off social issues like boxes.
Doctor Who still evidently has that imaginative spark in it – just look at Vinay Patel’s Demons of the Punjab or Maxine Alderton’s The Haunting of Villa Diodati, both standout episodes for Whittaker’s era. These two are marvellous writers (happily, Maxine is apparently a core writer for the upcoming series 13), and Whittaker is clearly charismatic – but it can all fall flat without a creatively ambitious showrunner who cannot keep the human heart of the Doctor beating.About as stupid as when Elizabeth "kill yourself" Sandifier tried to say that The Timeless Children came about because of pandering to Ian Levine, or better yet when Culfy tried to make out that I was being too personal through the use of the term self loathing fanboy, whilst he repeatedly said that I was the type of person who wanted to see Billie Piper get raped and tortured on screen over and over again. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 18:27:29 GMT
Vindicated, yes but not in any way thats fulfilling. I, like Rob, have not watched a single Jodie era as Mofftwats era had pretty much driven me away as well as opened my eyes to how bad nuwho was. After Twice Upon A Time the writing was on the wall and it was clear as a Bulgarian pin-up were the show was going. Yet being vindicated had brought me no ounce satisfaction, for what could I possible gain from knowing, and then seeing, a bunch of people who clearly have no true love for the show destroy it? What good can come from such a broken mess that has broken its fandom, driven many away and will have the remaining ones at eachother throats for years? Nuwho and especially the Jodie era might have badly damaged the show and it is still in the hands of people who don't want to do better. They just had not choice since the show is now so utterly unappealing that its not making enough money to keep it on life support. On the day I get to say "I told you so", I find I don't have the heart to do so.
I think the best thing to do with nuwho, and the culture that created it, is to move on and forget it. Remember the lessons we learned, but forget about this waste of time.
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Post by iank on Aug 14, 2021 21:29:42 GMT
Jesus, what a prick. Another one venerating the Davies era and the bastardisation of the Doctor's character, never mind pretending Chinballs' BS had anything to do with the original show. Dumbass.
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Post by Monster X on Aug 15, 2021 18:25:19 GMT
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Post by iank on Aug 15, 2021 21:05:49 GMT
If they keep saying it enough, it might come true.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 16, 2021 8:55:53 GMT
If they keep saying it enough, it might come true. Given that she'll be out very soon, they'll probably need to say it countless more times in the buildup to her departure, because it's vastly unlikely that anyone'll be convinced of her Shakespearian acting prowess and unbridled charisma by the next six episodes. Come to think of it: That has to be the shortest season in Who history. around about 50 minutes shorter than each post-hiatus season. What does that indicate, I wonder? I guess COVID has to be taken into consideration, but even so, it's not exactly a good look when you start evoking the season 23/24 period. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Aug 16, 2021 9:10:35 GMT
As for the question posited by the thread: No, I can't say I feel any genuine vindication, at least not anymore. If the era was simply a staggering cock-up with a quality of hilarity to it, then I probably would do, but it's just apathetic at this stage. I find myself forgetting that the series is still going most of the time, unless a new piece of news happens to emerge, so I'd be hard-pressed to call it any sort of vindication.
I guess a twinge of vindication might have been felt during the 2018-20 period, when the series was still being discussed widely and people began to awe at just how shite it was, but since then it's become significantly easier to switch off from the clusterf*ck for me personally, just because the cards are no longer on the table. Ratings are at an all-time low, as is audience disinterest, and even critical reviews renowned for blindly praising the new series have recently plummeted (Revolution of the Daleks was panned by the majority of outlets, only barely scraping 60% on Rotten Tomatoes from what I recall). It was amusing to begin with and therefore mildly vindicating, but it's more depressing and draining to think about now more than anything else.
That said, it doesn't impact my enjoyment and appreciation of the classic series and what went before, as it does some of the posters above.
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Post by mott1 on Aug 18, 2021 11:31:37 GMT
This might sound a bit petty, but given how much shit I got from pretty much everywhere. (Even on Archive) for being opposed to a female Doctor, I can't help but feel vindicated that it turned out to be a bigger disaster than I ever thought it would. I'm just annoyed I can't rub it in the face of a lot of the twats of the IMDB board LOL. So many there who treated me like a crazy person for saying everything that is now just accepted, the Doctor can't be ANYONE, the show is being taken over by a pushy political ideology etc. I was saying all of this back in 2014 and getting shit for it. I have to agree with many of the others here Burrunjor, and say 'no'. Having seen Jodie in her pre-Who work it was clear her casting was a horrible mix of nepotism and virtue-signalling over talent. Her turn in Broadchurch was adequate, perhaps it suited her narrow range (playing the wispy, wimpy victim), but playing the Doctor was so out of her range that even Chibbers turning her into a female Tennant was doomed. Even in these days of short attention spans if someone tuned in to the Mork Doctor gurning and lesbian flirting with her pisspoor companion no-one would ever think of her as the Doctor. But I don't think us saying 'told you so' works because we're still seen as the stubborn resistance. I get the feeling the BBC are all too aware it's failed, judging by the perceived lack of interest or convincing gossip about her and chubbers' replacements. Even they've faced up to the disastrous decline in viewers... |
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Aug 18, 2021 14:06:00 GMT
I can't say I feel vindicated in any satisfying way. I'm glad that it's failed and somewhat heartened by the fact that both the fanbase and the general audience have rejected it on such a scale. More than anything, I'm just sad that it's come to this.
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