Post by burrunjor on Jun 9, 2021 11:31:57 GMT
That you aren't proud of now?
I've never been one to join groups, but I did consider myself a feminist for a short while. It was early 2010s. I'd seen a lot of horrible misogynistic crap growing up, and naturally this felt like a good move. However feminists soon put me off when I realised that they are just anti men.
And yes they are, by and large. Obvs men DO deserved criticised in lots of ways. Men and women have their own distinct faults, but the problem with feminists is that they are too biased. They will try and look at every situation as though it's a man's fault. Leaving aside the double standards against men in our society, even when it comes to double standards against women this is an utterly useless mindset to have. Sometimes women can be awful to other women and cause problems for other women you know. Feminists are prepared to admit that men can be awful to other men, which obviously they can be with things like macho culture, "man up" etc, but again funnily enough by and large they won't admit that women can do similar shitty things to other women?
Again let's look at some personal examples for me. In sci fi and fantasy fandoms feminist gits like Paul Cornell like to paint female fandoms as being perfect. Now fair enough female fandoms, because of men like him are often better in that they are at least more confident. However female fandoms still have their own problems, and ironically it is often far more directed towards other women! It's the female fandoms that get women fired from tv shows like Supernatural because their characters interfere with their shipping fantasies, female fandoms that bully actresses off twitter, that famously attack the girlfriends of famous pop stars!
Similarly women can be trolls just as much as men can. Often when it comes to looks, I find that female trolls can be about 500 times more vicious to women for how they look than men can as they can really hit a woman where it hurts. (Again my experiences with Amy Winehouse showed me that.)
Another person that I used to support, but have drifted away from recently is Tommy Robinson. I never, EVER joined the EDL and I always did have problems with it. I don't like street protests. I think apart from under extreme circumstances, they cause nothing but trouble and undermine arguments. Still Tommy's arguments about problems with Islamic extremism, and conservative Islam were spot on. He wasn't a racist. He was actually a big supporter of multiculturalism.
Tommy's arguments weren't even about Islam is going to kill us all as idiots often painted them. They were more about how Islamic communities (and numerous research and polls including even in the Guardian can back this up) have more old fashioned views about homosexuality, race, and gender, which could pose a problem, as Islam is also very isolationist. It refuses to adapt, reform and integrate like other religions have done, so what we are getting is a sub culture in the UK, that holds more conservative views and if it gets any more influence then that could lead to a clash. It's not about "oh white and brown people" shouldn't mix, or even different cultures shouldn't mix. As Tommy has pointed out Sikhs and hindu's have integrated fine and kept their culture. It's about "we don't want a group who doesn't believe in gay rights, gender segregation" emerging and demanding to be pandered too.
Sadly however I think Tommy has undermined his own arguments in recent years as he has become extremely tribal in regards to the right, like praising Boris Johnson as a great leader of men, and demanding that nobody vote for Corbyn. That last one was especially ironic as he and Corbyn were in the same fokking boat! Both criticised an ideology, Islam and Zionism, and both were smeared by the media as racists, anti semitic and islamophobic. Rather than work together and show that criticising bad aspects of religions, even if they belong to historically persecuted minorities is NOT racism, and unite to protect the working class, (who they both did a lot of good for btw. Beyond the Islam thing, Tommy raised a lot of awareness for the underpriviliged and the disabled.) Tommy literally did a Homer Simpson and bought what the media said about someone else. "But listen to the music he's evil." To be fair to him though I doubt Corbyn would have been much better to him, but still Tommy let himself down there.
Other than these two incidents I think my political beliefs have remained fairly consistent. I've always been a socialist, but I guess these are two political fads I briefly became a part of. (Though that doesn't mean I still am not critical of Islam and don't think that there are double standards against women in our society. I just don't have to be a feminist or Tommy Robinson supporter to call both of those things out.)
I've never been one to join groups, but I did consider myself a feminist for a short while. It was early 2010s. I'd seen a lot of horrible misogynistic crap growing up, and naturally this felt like a good move. However feminists soon put me off when I realised that they are just anti men.
And yes they are, by and large. Obvs men DO deserved criticised in lots of ways. Men and women have their own distinct faults, but the problem with feminists is that they are too biased. They will try and look at every situation as though it's a man's fault. Leaving aside the double standards against men in our society, even when it comes to double standards against women this is an utterly useless mindset to have. Sometimes women can be awful to other women and cause problems for other women you know. Feminists are prepared to admit that men can be awful to other men, which obviously they can be with things like macho culture, "man up" etc, but again funnily enough by and large they won't admit that women can do similar shitty things to other women?
Again let's look at some personal examples for me. In sci fi and fantasy fandoms feminist gits like Paul Cornell like to paint female fandoms as being perfect. Now fair enough female fandoms, because of men like him are often better in that they are at least more confident. However female fandoms still have their own problems, and ironically it is often far more directed towards other women! It's the female fandoms that get women fired from tv shows like Supernatural because their characters interfere with their shipping fantasies, female fandoms that bully actresses off twitter, that famously attack the girlfriends of famous pop stars!
Similarly women can be trolls just as much as men can. Often when it comes to looks, I find that female trolls can be about 500 times more vicious to women for how they look than men can as they can really hit a woman where it hurts. (Again my experiences with Amy Winehouse showed me that.)
Another person that I used to support, but have drifted away from recently is Tommy Robinson. I never, EVER joined the EDL and I always did have problems with it. I don't like street protests. I think apart from under extreme circumstances, they cause nothing but trouble and undermine arguments. Still Tommy's arguments about problems with Islamic extremism, and conservative Islam were spot on. He wasn't a racist. He was actually a big supporter of multiculturalism.
Tommy's arguments weren't even about Islam is going to kill us all as idiots often painted them. They were more about how Islamic communities (and numerous research and polls including even in the Guardian can back this up) have more old fashioned views about homosexuality, race, and gender, which could pose a problem, as Islam is also very isolationist. It refuses to adapt, reform and integrate like other religions have done, so what we are getting is a sub culture in the UK, that holds more conservative views and if it gets any more influence then that could lead to a clash. It's not about "oh white and brown people" shouldn't mix, or even different cultures shouldn't mix. As Tommy has pointed out Sikhs and hindu's have integrated fine and kept their culture. It's about "we don't want a group who doesn't believe in gay rights, gender segregation" emerging and demanding to be pandered too.
Sadly however I think Tommy has undermined his own arguments in recent years as he has become extremely tribal in regards to the right, like praising Boris Johnson as a great leader of men, and demanding that nobody vote for Corbyn. That last one was especially ironic as he and Corbyn were in the same fokking boat! Both criticised an ideology, Islam and Zionism, and both were smeared by the media as racists, anti semitic and islamophobic. Rather than work together and show that criticising bad aspects of religions, even if they belong to historically persecuted minorities is NOT racism, and unite to protect the working class, (who they both did a lot of good for btw. Beyond the Islam thing, Tommy raised a lot of awareness for the underpriviliged and the disabled.) Tommy literally did a Homer Simpson and bought what the media said about someone else. "But listen to the music he's evil." To be fair to him though I doubt Corbyn would have been much better to him, but still Tommy let himself down there.
Other than these two incidents I think my political beliefs have remained fairly consistent. I've always been a socialist, but I guess these are two political fads I briefly became a part of. (Though that doesn't mean I still am not critical of Islam and don't think that there are double standards against women in our society. I just don't have to be a feminist or Tommy Robinson supporter to call both of those things out.)
