Gotham appreciation thread

[burrunjor]

On a rewatch of this now.

I seem to remember there were some fans here like Lady and Mott?

Personally I love Gotham. Some of the writing got clunky and repetitive at times, like Fish being brought back, but overall I liked it. 

For me it is actually closer to the style of Batman TAS than any other in that it takes advantage of what is great about the Batman universe. Batman can be adapted to so many different types of stories. Gritty crime thrillers, gothic horror, 50s sci fi movie tropes, even some campy humour. 

Most versions tend to stick to one style, like Adam West went for the camp, Burton went for the gothic horror, Nolan went for the gritty crime aspects etc. Batman tas however memorably brought them all together, and for me Gotham does the same. 

I think Gotham also had the best versions of the Penguin, The Riddler, and Catwoman. Its version of the Joker was excellent, and I think making the Joker a kind of symbol for the downtrodden of Gotham was an inspired idea, and one that later was used for the 2019 Joker film. Monaghan was also sensational in the role, though I don't think he quite eclipsed Hamill. 

I also think it did the prequel idea better than Smallville. The problem with Smallville was that it killed off most of Supes enemies before he became Superman. Kind of defeated the whole point of it being a prequel. 

In Gotham meanwhile apart from Ra's Al Ghul (who can be brought back.) All of his villains are ready to go. (Though I suppose Butch is another big villain that died before Bruce became Batman. Shame as I liked him. Maybe he can be brought back too.)

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I went to Gotham once. It was closed.

[burrunjor]

Apr 16, 2021 14:29:28 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

I went to Gotham once. It was closed.

You'd like Tabetha Galavan. She is so sexy. Butch was lucky both to shag her and get tortured by her. 

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Apr 16, 2021 14:30:56 GMT burrunjor said:

Apr 16, 2021 14:29:28 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

I went to Gotham once. It was closed.

You'd like Tabetha Galavan. She is so sexy. Butch was lucky both to shag her and get tortured by her. 

How did you know I liked sexy women? 


Seriously, looks good from the google photos.  Is she a lesbian in the series?

[mott1]

I did like season 1 of it very much as it was a bit more restrained, and the actor playing the Penguin was exceptional. I also liked what they did with Renee Montoya but other characters (Gordon's daughter?) were a bit of a problem, as well as Fish's return and a few too many 'Oh are THEY the Joker then?' moments.

I thought from s2 it became a bit too lacking in credibility for me, a 'one and done' would have been sufficient.

[burrunjor]

Apr 16, 2021 16:02:19 GMT mott1 said:

I did like season 1 of it very much as it was a bit more restrained, and the actor playing the Penguin was exceptional. I also liked what they did with Renee Montoya but other characters (Gordon's daughter?) were a bit of a problem, as well as Fish's return and a few too many 'Oh are THEY the Joker then?' moments.

I thought from s2 it became a bit too lacking in credibility for me, a 'one and done' would have been sufficient.

That's the great thing about Batman though. 

For me he is the best heroic character alongside the classic era Doctor because he is so versatile. You can have a gritty, realistic, crime fighting batman, but you can also have him go on sci fi adventures, gothi horror adventures, and there is also a comedic edge to him too. 

Most versions however tend to go for one style. Adam West went for comedy, Tim Burton went for gothic horror, Nolan went for the gritty crime fighting, but Gotham much like the 90s animated series blended them all together. The only problem was it didn't have a Batman LOL, so it's not quite on the level of TAS, but still it did manage to blend together so many different styles from different eras which is why it was the best. 

Also Robin Lord Taylor's performance is one of the best I have ever seen. 

Has anybody here seen Pennyworth? It is made by the same people and is supposed to be really good. Paloma Faith is the main villain in it and has apparently been the breakout character like the Penguin. (Funny thing I read about Pennyworth as well is that it is set in the 60s and has songs from that era from the Stones, the Beatles however, but for some reason it also had Love is a Losing Game by Amy Winehouse! I guess the writers most have got mixed up and thought the Amy version was just a cover from an old 60s song, but nope. She wrote that.)

[burrunjor]

Almost finished it again. It's held up really well. 

I must say Jeremiah is easily one of the best versions of the Joker I have ever seen. I love how eerily calm and creepy he was. Overall Gotham is so much a better prequel series than Smallville.