Doctors' opinions on each other

[rushy]

I always found it funny and interesting how the different incarnations had varying opinions on one another. 

Two and Three obviously had their iconic rivalry, but both of them seemed fond of Five. Nobody really likes One, but almost everyone has this respectful, deferential attitude towards him.

Two and Six seemed to loathe one another. 

Six clearly didn't care for Five, as he spent a lot of his post-regeneration taking the piss out of him. 

Ten adores Five, likes Four and Eleven, but doesn't care for One. 

Five didn't seem to like any of his older selves, but was optimistic about the future. 

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

It's more that Moffat doesn't like the First Doctor than the Doctor himself. If he does he has a very weird way of showing it.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

I love the argument about robes between 7 and 8 in Power of the Doctor. I reckon McCoy would get on with most Doctors, but playfully role his eyes at the more annoying traits of their personas. 

[rushy]

Power of the Doctor is legitimate evidence that Chibnall is perfectly fine - great, even - as a writer-for-hire. The way he captured the Seventh Doctor's voice and tone was impeccable. I don't think Russell or Moff would have dared to suggest that Ace's relationship with the Doctor ended bitterly.

He also shined a spotlight on the most interesting parts of the Eleventh Doctor when he wrote for series 7A. The killing of Solomon in Dinosaurs, the dynamic with the Ponds in Power of Three. Those are the main highlights of that period.

Chibnall is like the ultimate workman writer in my eyes. Has nothing to say on his own, but can change his style like a chameleon to fit into a pre-existing framework.

[burrunjor]

Capaldi's Doctor also seemed to like 11 calling him a dashing, handsome young time traveller he used to know.

[rushy]

Nov 16, 2024 19:11:37 GMT burrunjor said:

Capaldi's Doctor also seemed to like 11 calling him a dashing, handsome young time traveller he used to know.

That makes sense, he was 11 longer than anyone and probably associates 11 with Clara trusting him more. 

[megalomaniacal]

The Doctors' attitudes to each other I always find hard to understand.

On the one hand it makes sense that the technically older Doctor would always be a bit snarky towards his younger selves, because older people find younger people f*cking annoying

But then, in The Three and The Five Doctors, there is a sense of reverance to 1 from the others, and he's almost written as being wiser, despite being technically the youngest, least experienced there. The time line of the show gets confused with the time line of the show's narrative.

Beyond that, I think Doctor to Doctor fractiousness is literally written to be "entertaining" without much thought by the writer. It's also an easy win to have them be pissy to each other, because anything more intelligent would eat into your cigarette break.

And yes, I hurl that accusation at both the classic writers, and the latest lot.

Would still have loved Tom to have been in Five Doctors, though. Apart from anything else the post production tales of ego and highjinx would have been spectacular.

Tom. You are a legend, sir.

[rushy]

It's a metafictional reverence towards Hartnell. In Three Doctors, he was ill and so all his lines had to count (plus he appeared above the others on a monitor, deified and distant). And in Five Doctors, he's the only one who had passed on so I imagine they wanted to be as respectful of the character as possible. 

But in-universe, I justify it as the Doctor regarding his original self as his "core" being. He grew up being the First Doctor and most of his happiest memories are probably associated with that incarnation. You know, his marriage, his children, all the lessons he learned. They would be freshest with that version of the character.

RE: Tom, I remember hearing from somewhere that he was originally written to be the one solving the mystery at the Citadel, and I'm very glad they didn't go in that direction. It helped Davison's Doctor stand out, and also the scene where he rejoins the other incarnations is so great.

[Spark Doll King]

I've always found it interesting how loathed Seven by the others and it's not hard to see why. Forget the empty statements about the War Doctor being the one who broke the promise, Seven, especially in expanded fiction, is more in line with this concept. He's not an explorer & meddler but an active interfere in the universe, manipulating even his companions despite hating himself for it.

Five quickly grew to dislike him in Cold Fusion. Only natural given they are kind of opposing sides of the 80s Doctor's character.

Seven has actively interfered with Six's life more then any other incarnation has done to another. He's popd up in several of Six's audio adventures working behind the scenes and if you go by the new Adventures Seven is at least partly responsible for Six's death and the eventually creation of the Valyard, who himself though little of Seven in Trial of the Valyard.

None hates Seven more then Eight though. Eighth has never had a good word to say about Seven in any continuity I'm aware of and seems to resent ever being him.

Apparently the First Doctor, in one short story, refused to summon Seven, the only one he chose to do that to, as he felt he couldn't be trusted no to twist events to his own ends.

[rushy]

Seven was such a fascinating experiment for the show. I wish they had the balls to go into those waters with Capaldi. The timing was just right too, all the audience from the Tennant/Smith era had grown up and was hungry for a version of Doctor Who with a bit more meat on the bones.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

Nov 18, 2024 23:11:46 GMT rushy said:

 I wish they had the balls to go into those waters with Capaldi.

Yeah, but they might shrink if the water is cold.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

The real 1st Doctor would have told 12 where to go I think.

"Please bugger off, dear boy. And take those silly glasses off!"