They're seriously doing a Missy night

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

Not only did they celebrate 10 years of Missy yesterday on Twitter, but the Doctor Who YouTube channel is dedicating a whole night to Missy moments.  Burrunjor's worst nightmare 

Why are we celebrating utter crap?

[burrunjor]

It's completely unfair when you look at how others like Topher Grace, Jared Leto etc have been made into punchlines and bullied by genre fans for unfaithful versions of classic characters like Venom, the Joker and Morbius. Even Joker 2 isn't as big as insult to that character as Missy was to the Master. Seriously, any youtuber or geek website that slates Joker 2 for not being a proper Joker movie, but praises her is a hypocrite.

Still this is the perfect summation of why DW is dead and will most likely never get better.

I'm currently watching Red Dwarf and I am on the Dave era, which is brilliant. As we've been over Red Dwarf also lost its way and produced a stinker of a series in 8. However Red Dwarf fans made it clear that s8 was not the way to go. They said this is bad because it takes away from the show and characters, and we want proper Red Dwarf back.

So the revival did exactly that and Red Dwarf in contrast to DW was saved by its revival as it didn't end with a bad series.

DW fans who despite their show being a bigger mainstream hit than RD ever was, and ending on a high with "come on Ace we've got work to do", were so insecure because of the opinions of media wankers, they sold out to the point where they STILL praise a bigger bastardisation because they think it will get them in with the young crowd and well DW now officially hasn't crawled out of that hole in ten f*cking years unlike RD. Fans get the franchise they deserve. Dwarfers enjoy an era that's a great mix of all the styles from bunk bed scenes to simulants, DW fans enjoy watching Ncuti pick up party boys. 

[iank]

New Who fans are insane.

[burrunjor]

Nov 3, 2024 9:17:51 GMT iank said:

New Who fans are insane.

To be honest they're not even the ones who annoy me with Missy. A new who fan who has never seen the original, or who came to the show with the revival, who vastly prefers the revival and thinks of that as "their Doctor Who", who views the Doctor as their queer icon rather than a dusty old professor. (As that's what he's been for the past 10 years.) Who don't give a shit about the monsters and care more about shipping. I 100 percent understand them thinking Missy is the pinnacle of the Masters character. How could they not? It's written for them and their tastes more than the burned Master or Delgado. It doesn't annoy or shock me at all when they say Missy was a 10/10 character.

Let different generations of fans have their own interpretations. I sure as hell didn't like Gary Oldman's Dracula that was sappy, romantic and nowhere near as monstrous as Christopher Lee's. (Again though this only works if new who is one of many alternate sequels, which is why New Who fans should be pushing for alternate sequels as much as I am. It benefits both versions just as much.)

It's these classic era fanboys that piss me off the most. Nicholas Briggs, the Big Finish mob, the gits who run forums like Anoraks (especially Anoraks that is supposed to be an edgy classic who forum and rails on David Tennant for being unfaithful and unDoctorish), people on Gallifrey Base like Nuallain who dresses up as Tom Baker all the time and says his first story was Robots of Death, or people on Ian Levine's facebook page that is devoted to classics, and who in some cases say Hartnell was their Doctor (not Ian himself as far as I know), classic era youtubers, geek websites etc. All these people who regularly say she is the best, most faithful version of the Master and still say Eric Roberts was the worst version. THEY are the ones who piss me off, and who have sold the entire franchise out, and have destroyed the ability to trust any kind of fan opinion not just in DW but in general. Like I said when these stupid channels, sites do list of best Masters in DW or even articles about DW villains that are unfaithful and then say "Don't worry Missy is exempt from this." How can you possibly take them seriously whenever they trash another villain or film for not sticking to the source material?  

Even then I'm not saying you can't be a classic era fan and like Missy, just as long as you make it clear that she is NOT the Master. I after all like plenty of in name only versions like Elementary and the 2000 AD Dan Dare, and even the Roger Moore era James Bond which is my favourite, but I don't go around insisting they are the most faithful adaptations or demand that we rewrite the history of the others to make these fit, and neither do Bond, Dan Dare, or Sherlock Holmes fans, hence why after all these in name only versions they were able to do more faithful versions that could stand on their own.

Sadly however the classic era "fans" by making out she is the best Master, that she honoured Roger Delgado's memory and going back and actually rewriting information about past Master stories on websites to say Delgado wanted to shag Pertwee, and do Big Finish stories where the burned Master is like that to make it fit in. (And it is obviously classic era fans that do that, think these shippers know or care about Delgado?) They all make it difficult to actually go back to the classic era Master, and worse leave people like me who liked the character out in the cold, where it looks like I'm just a sexist or homophobe because apparently that's the only reason you could dislike Missy, as she fits in perfectly with the other Masters?

THEY are the ultimate traitors, who had such a pathetic lack of confidence in their own supposedly favourite show, they sold it out to any cheap fad that came their way to be in with the keeeewl kids and they backed the wrong horse with identity politics and still won't admit it ten years later. THEY are the worst fans by far. 

(I might add in a further reason these classic era fan boys are scum, is that they are also the generation who basically killed JNT, trashing him for not taking the show seriously enough, for making it too panto, and again still eviscerate the likes of Eric Roberts and Anthony Ainley for making the Master too campy, yet praise a flying kinky, oversexed Mary Poppins with killer perfume. They if it's geek websites we are talking about are also the worst bullies to other actors in the genre too like Topher Grace, Jared Leto etc, They eviscerate Leto for trying to make the Joker sexy and using an admittedly cringey line of Hunka, hunka. Still would they rather he stuck his tongue down Batman's throat and made a joke aout the Penguin's umbrella being his cock? Only then would he have been as bad as Missy. Also finally because they know they are hypocrites they will often be the most abusive when you question them, like on Anoraks who banned me. I'm not saying the shippers can't be nutcases, but hey I've at least found a few SJW type fans like Claudia Boleyn who listened to me and were awesome people. More than I've found among the sell out classic era fans.)

[megalomaniacal]

Oh no, I missed it.

What a shame.

[rushy]

It's one thing if you like Death in Heaven - I like lots of wacky media, like Paul Darrow's B7 adventures.

But unironically presenting it as meaningful television that should be revered makes me lose years of my life from all the internal cringing

[burrunjor]

Nov 8, 2024 11:42:43 GMT rushy said:

It's one thing if you like Death in Heaven - I like lots of wacky media, like Paul Darrow's B7 adventures.

But unironically presenting it as meaningful television that should be revered makes me lose years of my life from all the internal cringing

I agree it's cringe, but again them praising it as deep doesn't bother me (though 12th Doctors fans can be so f*cking condescending online and treat you like a moron for not getting it.) 

However what annoys me is the outright denial of reality that happens with it and Missy for that matter. That's why I have a special hatred of Missy that obviously goes beyond other characters, because it does feel, (not to sound melodramatic) like 1984 "how many fingers am I holding up" when her fans and sites like tv tropes, insist she is more like Delgado than any other Master. I mean how can you possibly come to that conclusion? Why would you come to that conclusion? I get that they did for political reasons at first, but again now that they have a female Doctor, why still cling to that? Also again why are these arseholes on sites like Anoraks not only insisting on that, but getting angry if I say there are only four fingers? It's baffling. 

PS not even Michelle Gomez and Steven Moffat agree with them! That is the hilarious thing. Moffat admitted he despised the Master and just did his own thing (in an interview that is included on a docu on the season 10 DVD, that is also narrated by the lovely Ingrid Oliver.) 

Michelle Gomez meanwhile who is an AWESOME person in real life, has openly joked about how unlike the Master Missy is at conventions. Here she is taking the mickey out of it, with a beard and mustache like Delgado, jokingly stating she was trying to be authentic for once.




Trying to make out she is authentic is so ridiculous, even the actress has a giggle at it. Again this doesn't mean you can't enjoy her, as I like plenty of in name only versions (just finished Elementary.) In name only versions can be great in their own right, and if there are plenty of faithful versions, who gives a smeg? Still as I've said before trying to rewrite the past and say she is how he always was, stops us from ever getting anything like the original back, or at least makes it harder and for so called fans to create that kind of thinking, well they can only be viewed as the supreme traitors!