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Post by rushy on Oct 8, 2024 0:59:05 GMT
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Post by Ludders II on Oct 8, 2024 3:17:08 GMT
I never liked the character that much to be honest. Russell can have her. He's f*cked everything else up, so he might as well do a job on Susan as well. I couldn't care less tbh.
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Post by iank on Oct 8, 2024 6:28:31 GMT
FFS Carole. They're so out of touch with anything resembling reality, aren't they? No idea that fat hack clown has tanked this franchise entirely.
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Post by megalomaniacal on Oct 8, 2024 9:11:37 GMT
Ugh.
"She said: "...it would bring back all the memories of... Bill [William Hartnell]...""
Oh don't worry, C-AF, Moff worked very hard at "bringing back" the "memories" of the late, great Bill Hartnell... it was just that he went for "derogatory and revisionist" rather than "respectful to the legacy that is paying my wage".
While the current iteration of the show has turned that same Doctor, brought to life by WH in 1963, and sustained in a characteristically consistent way (pretty much) until 2017, into an inconsistent, badly written embarrassment, whose characteristics swerve in whatever direction "scratches the itch" of the increasingly clueless writer(s).
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Nothing against C-AF personally - I liked the original Susan, and thought she worked OK in The Five Doctors. Just hate the legacy of decent characters being trashed for a desperate cash/ratings-grab (see also Indiana Jones). And let's be honest, the people likely to know who Susan really is, are probably small in number (eg. I'm very much nearer "the end", than I am "the beginning"). The idea it might give the show a boost (like Sarah/ K9 way back in 2006) is unlikely. Jack, Mel and Clifford-the-Big-Red Do... sorry, "Sutekh", didn't seem to make much of an impact.
Nor for that matter did David Tenuous.
Ah well.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 8, 2024 9:41:45 GMT
Doctor Who actors, fans and writers from classic and new are like Al Bundy wearing his Polk High football shirt in regards to what they think about DW's popularity.
They are all stuck in 2005-2013. They think that DW is still this number 1 show that all the young hipsters like, that media whores who trashed the original think is keeewwwwl.
They have 0 idea that for 10 years now it's been a struggling at best show, and a miserable failure most of the time. It's young fans are a now minority of sex obsessed arseholes who couldn't care one bit about its legacy other than to rewrite it, and aging millennial hipsters approaching middle age, who long for the days when they were trendy students and geek culture was all the rage with Sherlock, Supernatural, Matt Smith, The Big Bang Theory, and Game of Thrones and they could make money off of stupid after show podcasts and youtube reviews about them. Or they are even worse, aging boomers and gen x's who've also never got over their student days when they were Rick with a silent P activists and think they are recapturing their youth when they were edgy and kick started a revolution, by being anti Trump, and supporting radical notions like a female or gay Doctor Who. (The types who run Anoraks are the epitome of this as me and Ludders know.)
I can't think of a show with a more uncool, out of touch fanbase than that, but sadly these classic era actors like Carole Ann Ford and Katy Manning are all duped by the hype and bullshit from RTD and Big Finish and conventions about the revival. Shows you how good the Fitzroy crowd are at bullshitting. If only that was transferred into story telling.
I agree seeing Ncuti alongside the original Susan is a joke. I can't think of anything more out of place. Is she going to watch her grandfather twerk or pick up party boys? I bet you anything that RTD will retcon it that the Doctor was a woman who gave birth to Susan and introduce his husband.
I think the best proof of how badly new who is struggling and has been for the past decade is that it's had about 6 major revamps in ten years in an attempt to keep it fresh and I don't just mean a change of lead actor.
The Capaldi era was designed to be a revamp for his first two years via Missy and the political content. That was designed to be an apology for the rampant sexism of the old Matt Smith era and win round potential new fans.
It tanked badly so there was a hiatus and his last season was a revamp, different setting, stories from the first two years abandoned apart from Missy etc, hence why the first episode was called the Pilot. Moff himself even said this. It tanked even more!
Jodie was then designed to be a revamp, not just in terms of actor, but everything, setting, companions from Capaldi junked etc. It tanked badly in Jodie's first two seasons, so her third year was designed to be another revamp, a season long story, cut down episodes. It tanked too.
Then there was the revamp with the Tennant specials. It tanked!
Finally Ncuti was designed to be another revamp and jumping on point. It tanked!
When you look at Classic Who there were just three revamps. I don't view the changeover of Doctor as a revamp. It's often just a necessity because one actor is leaving. The actual changeover is gradual which is different to a revamp where there is a grinding halt in production or story style or both.
Jon to Tom for instance is gradual, as the UNIT setting remains for two years, Sarah Jane for three, the Daleks who were a staple are still there etc. Hartnell to Troughton? Hartnell's last companions are there, Troughton has a historical, the Daleks are the main foes of Troughton's first season. It's not until Troughton's second year before it has shaken off the Hartnell aspects and even then the Cybermen were introduced in Hartnell's time too.
Full on revamps meanwhile would include obviously Troughton to Pertwee as the entire cast left, the setting became fixed, recurring foes are abandoned etc. Williams to JNT (again Hinchcliff to Williams is a transition.) And Trial of a Timelord. I don't count Key to Time as it's not quite the same as those arcs as the stories are still broadly stand alone, they're just linked by a slight theme. You could however rewrite the stories without them and it would make no difference. Still maybe that's a fourth revamp?
With New Who the same applies for the first 7 years, except for Tennant to Matt. One revamp in 7 years, (as Eccelston to Tennant is also a smooth transition) vs 6 in the next ten. Revamps only happen when the show is struggling and unsure of itself, like Troughton's last series flopping, Trial coming after a cancellation and in JNT's case he thought the William's era was a disaster because it was too campy, so he sought to course correct. Meanwhile whilst Tennant had been huge, obviously they were scared that without him it would tank.
Spin that any way you want but those constant, desperate revamps of the 2010s and 2020s are clearly a result of the makers not knowing who to aim the show at, and desperately trying to stay relevant. That's what happens when you follow Paul Cornells bullshit "let's smash up the past" angle.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 8, 2024 11:54:45 GMT
“One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. When I do, I shall be rendered a jabbering imbecile with a propensity to cry one’s eyes out every five minutes.
When we departed, I noted that you had been taking care of me, but that you needed to ascertain autonomy and live your own life. However, a time will come when a bloviating egotist will dictate my every word, catchphrase and action from behind the scenes. When that time comes, you will need to relinquish your new life and rescue me. However, beware of this egotist possibly controlling your every action too. If you start inexplicably lusting over my new self, it’ll be his dirty work!”
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Post by cyberhat on Oct 8, 2024 14:28:27 GMT
Susan will come back as a bloke. If I'm wrong and Carol Anne Ford does comes back, it will only be so she can regenerate into a bloke.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 8, 2024 14:36:22 GMT
Susan will come back as a bloke. If I'm wrong and Carol Anne Ford does comes back, it will only be so she can regenerate into a bloke. Maybe they should take a leaf out of Missy's book? Call her SuMAN and cast Matt Berry and have him play it as the same mad woman obsessed posh git he always plays and have him perve over all the female characters. "I don't know how you guys can be around that spicey piece of chicken wing Clara/Amy/Osgood/Yaz etc. I'd be a tripod." Of course logically given the response to Missy all these people should say 11/10 best Susan ever, Susan was always portrayed that way, look at the bit in Marco Polo where she bonds with that girl, clearly she wanted to shag her etc. Meanwhile this interview with Christopher Lee I think sums up New Who. x.com/i/status/1843133864644051004 |
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