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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Sept 22, 2024 21:13:00 GMT
Karn is well realized. I've never seen them attempt to do rain in the studio before. I do tend to like the stormy and gothic stories which have a lot of night scenes. I think Morbius is a 7 for me although I'm also not convinced it's a classic. As for it being "overrated," I think it came in at 40th place in the 2014 poll so it's not amongst the other Hinchcliffe classics like Pyramids and Genesis.
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 22, 2024 21:28:03 GMT
Karn is well realized. I've never seen them attempt to do rain in the studio before. I do tend to like the stormy and gothic stories which have a lot of night scenes. I think Morbius is a 7 for me although I'm also not convinced it's a classic. As for it being "overrated," I think it came in at 40th place in the 2014 poll so it's not amongst the other Hinchcliffe classics like Pyramids and Genesis. I loved it because I'd got into Hammer films a year or two earlier, and also my dad recorded Ep 2 for me on his new stereo tape deck with twin mics. So yeah, it's a big nostalgia story for me. ☺️ |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 23, 2024 8:25:19 GMT
That's just it. I've never taken much notice of fandom. I grew up watching Who in the pre-internet age, it's even less relevant. I don't prefer Brain of Morbius because fandom says it's better. I'm not interested in wider fandoms. I don't follow any YouTubers, and I'm not interested in what stories fandom thinks is cool or uncool etc... Sadly that's an outdated view even if it is completely correct. I guess I was maybe the last generation to feel like you? I grew up in the 90s and was too young for the internet, so I never took notice of fandom at all until the late 00s by which point I was too entrenched in my opinions. Sadly however the current generations who were practically raised by the internet are completely swayed by fandom wisdom as are a lot of the sheep from previous generations. Obviously it doesn't affect your enjoyment, but I don't think you can dismiss the influence of toxic fandom in the following ways. They support the vandalisation and destruction of the brand as they are sheep who are following what a group of money grubbing elites with 0 love for the show want. Fans can actually prevent that from happening. As I've said before, look at Godzilla 1998? Fans made it clear that was NOT acceptable as a version of Godzilla, because like new who it threw everything that made the Big G what he was in the bin. DW fans in contrast twist and turn to say that f*cking Missy channelled Delgado, or Ncuti perfectly captures the alien qualities of the Doctor. That's why DW has been ravaged to a greater extent, even during the culture war than other victims like Star Wars and Star Trek. They are so toxic, cliquey and bullying that there are very few places you can go to actually talk about DW. This is pretty much the last refuge for most of us here. Then there is just their hypocrisy in getting people fired whilst supporting other creeps and perverts all of which helps drive normal people away from DW. To me the fans have pretty much destroyed any future DW could have. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Sept 23, 2024 8:40:22 GMT
It isn't so much fandom being swayed by popular opinion for me, but rather the outright abuse I sometimes receive for stating an opinion that's different from the sheep. From death threats by insane Rose Tyler fans to a torrent of spite directed at me by the usual JNT bashers, I've questioned whether or not even connecting with Doctor Who fans, classic and new, is good for my health. As Burrunjor says, this is essentially the only place for most of us now.
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 23, 2024 8:50:41 GMT
It isn't so much fandom being swayed by popular opinion for me, but rather the outright abuse I sometimes receive for stating an opinion that's different from the sheep. From death threats by insane Rose Tyler fans to a torrent of spite directed at me by the usual JNT bashers, I've questioned whether or not even connecting with Doctor Who fans, classic and new, is good for my health. As Burrunjor says, this is essentially the only place for most of us now. To be fair it's not just DW fans. I can barely voice an opinion on Futurama or DC comics on sites like reddit without being told I'm a moron if it goes against the fandom consensus. Again look at the shit suggesting Gina Carano for Xena provoked? Yak was right that reddit kind of ruined online discussion as before there used to be a wide range of forums, but then Reddit came and scooped them all up, and Reddit was run by shills, fandom elites etc, with the only forums surviving the emergence of reddit, being other big ones like GB that were also run by shills, so sadly a lot of genuine places for discussion vanished, leaving only a very few small outliers like this. Even then however because this is such a small forum I can't imagine any passer by wanting to join as admittedly it will look like a clique, so yeah ultimately most fandoms are now just places for the fandom elites to sway sheep and abuse any dissenting voices. DW is still one of the worst affected however. |
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 23, 2024 23:49:06 GMT
I understand both of you in your points of view, and perhaps from one perspective, my view 'outdated' because so many people's lives are all wrapped up in the internet. The fact that we are all even here at all after a good number of years and a good number of ups and downs is testament to the fact that these days, most people have an online life.
And yes, online friendships gradually form over time, (I met my wife via Facebook after all!) and we feel upset to a point, if something goes wrong with that friendship, or there are disagreements that affect us, etc...
But the fact remains that 99% of people online are complete strangers whose opinions I may agree or disagree with, but I don't really care because I don't know them. It happens all the time in FB groups especially where someone decides you're wrong for holding a particular opinion, and yes it can happen where groups of such people will try to publicly dogpile you, but at the end of the day I find it hard to care if I don't know them. With online friends it's different, but I've always felt that some people seem to care way too much what some stranger probably hundreds of miles away on the other end of a screen thinks.
In that sense I've never experienced online bullying because you can just close the lid on your laptop and hey presto it's all gone. But I also get that in terms of NuWho particularly, it's very hard to find places that will accept any alternative points of view beyond the official brand worshippers line. I tried out various places before ultimately returning here because it's literally the only place I know of where it's acceptable to dis it.
Interestingly, on Ian Levine's group, where so-called "positivity" has always been the official line; Nc*nti's season has received such a tremendous amount of flak, that brand worshipper uberkommandant Andy Fairclough opened a "sister group' called 'Loving Doctor Who' where all the positive comments only snowflakes can exist free of a diversity of opinions and all those terrible haters. 😆 Whilst, Levine himself declared in one of his traditional rants that he doesn't support it anymore, and decided that people on his group were free to criticise it. Which they were already doing in droves. 😆 Hence the formation of the sister group.
And that's just one example of the wonderful world of fandom.....
Anyway, some off-topic ground covered here, but suffice to say that I think more people would do well to follow my 'outdated' view, (and 'completely correct') view. 😉
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Post by iank on Sept 24, 2024 6:26:11 GMT
Oh I already do for the most part. I've even cut off a lot of YouTubers now. Only one I watch now is Who's Views and even then I only watch the classic related stuff and not the Headlines stuff, coz I don't GAF. My show ended in 1989. But certainly my experience with online Who fandom in the 2000s especially made me... er... not particularly interested in any other fandoms and preferring to keep my loves to myself.
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