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Post by RobFilth on Sept 18, 2024 3:21:04 GMT
Here's the top ten for NuWho: 1. The Day of the Doctor 2. Blink 3. The Empty Child 4. Human Nature 5. The Parting of the Ways 6. Dalek 7. The Eleventh Hour 8. Vincent and the Doctor 9. The Girl in the Fireplace 10. Silence in the Library How the f*ck does "Day of the Faketor" top that list? Most of the others I can kind of understand bar "The Farting Of The Ways" which set the template for ludicrous lazy magic wand waving deus ex machina resolutions ever after. "Vincent and the Doctor" may not be as offensively crass and moronic as Fatheads-fare, but I still find it's ludicrously gushy over sentimentalism hugely over-rated. It's not like Van Gogh was subjectively that good an artist, the only reason why his paintings have become the most valuable is purely because art critiques tied to the art establishment obsessively love to masturbate furiously over colour theory and creative process rather than subject matter or what the damn thing actually looks like. In fact, I could spend all day picking holes in all of these entries, but I guess bar Day of the Faketor and Farting of the Ways the majority of them do sort of represent the cream of the crop of NuPoohs aberrations. I reckon only one or two of them would make my own personal top ten however. Mine would probably be(subject to change): 1. Blink 2. Time of Angels 3. Flatline 4. Sleep No More 5. Mummy on the Orient Express 6. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS 7. Night Terrors 6. World Enough and Time 7. The Lazarus Experiment 8. Amys Choice 9. The Crimson Horror 10. The Snowmen Most of which wouldn't get anywhere near a NuPooh top ten and most of which are Matt Smith stories and all of which still have their stupid irritating bits within. |
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Post by RobFilth on Sept 18, 2024 3:26:24 GMT
The Time Warrior is terrific, but better than City of Death? I think some members need to check they've taken their medication properly. For my money, it’s all relative. Both serials deserve their accolades, and neither deserve an outright slagging of any kind. If this was a poll, I wouldn’t vote. Interesting that you said that Bernard, because I was considering doing a poll between Time Warrior vs City of Death because tonally and production-quality wise, I find them remarkably similar. |
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 18, 2024 6:41:04 GMT
For my money, it’s all relative. Both serials deserve their accolades, and neither deserve an outright slagging of any kind. If this was a poll, I wouldn’t vote. Interesting that you said that Bernard, because I was considering doing a poll between Time Warrior vs City of Death because tonally and production-quality wise, I find them remarkably similar. I would never have thought to compare the two, to be honest, But knock up the poll anyway.  |
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 18, 2024 6:48:52 GMT
"Vincent and the Doctor" may not be as offensively crass and moronic as Fatheads-fare, but I still find it's ludicrously gushy over sentimentalism hugely over-rated. It's not like Van Gogh was subjectively that good an artist, the only reason why his paintings have become the most valuable is purely because art critiques tied to the art establishment obsessively love to masturbate furiously over colour theory and creative process rather than subject matter or what the damn thing actually looks like. Funny, I was thinking about this one the other day. I always rated it highly by NuWho standards, and as piece of television in its own right, it's pretty good, but even at its best; NuWho just doesn't FEEL like Dr Who. And as you say, every single ep bar absolutely none, have their have their stupid irritating bits, and unfortunately you just can't syphon off that shit. |
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 18, 2024 7:23:09 GMT
1. Blink 2. Time of Angels 3. Flatline 4. Sleep No More 5. Mummy on the Orient Express 6. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS 7. Night Terrors 6. World Enough and Time 7. The Lazarus Experiment 8. Amys Choice 9. The Crimson Horror 10. The Snowmen Problem for me as well is that after Series 6, or thereabouts, I can't even remember loads of episodes because I've never re-watched anything, as it was boring enough the first time. lol I do remember the odd stories breaking through the haze of tedium, like Mummy on the Orient Express and Cold War, but there are so many that just didn't stick in my mind. I remember liking World Enough Time a lot, but then thinking part 2 was shit. But I can't remember why.  Maybe that's one story I will watch again sometime. |
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 18, 2024 7:42:59 GMT
I would probably scratch up this as my Top 10 NuWho. (Bearing in mind that all of these would still be UNDER my bottom 10 Classic Who) 1. Dalek 2. Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways 3. The Unquiet Dead 4. Amy's Choice 5. Vincent and the Doctor 6. Time of the Angels/Flesh and Stone 7. The Girl Who Waited 8. Cold War 9. Into the Dalek 10. Mummy on the Orient Express |
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Post by cyberhat on Sept 18, 2024 12:10:28 GMT
You can thank guys like Paul Cornell though who made it trendy to hate Pertwee in the 90s. Says Pertwee is a Tory then comes out as a red Tory. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Sept 18, 2024 14:35:51 GMT
1. Blink 2. Time of Angels 3. Flatline 4. Sleep No More 5. Mummy on the Orient Express 6. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS 7. Night Terrors 6. World Enough and Time 7. The Lazarus Experiment 8. Amys Choice 9. The Crimson Horror 10. The Snowmen Problem for me as well is that after Series 6, or thereabouts, I can't even remember loads of episodes because I've never re-watched anything, as it was boring enough the first time. lol I do remember the odd stories breaking through the haze of tedium, like Mummy on the Orient Express and Cold War, but there are so many that just didn't stick in my mind. I remember liking World Enough Time a lot, but then thinking part 2 was shit. But I can't remember why. Maybe that's one story I will watch again sometime. The Doctor Falls should have been great, but unfortunately the Master getting turned on by Missy is one of many reasons why I can never take it seriously as a drama. It's a shame because I like the Cybermen, but they always play second fiddle to other villains in these finales to the point where they're just walking zombies. They've never been realized properly in the new series. After Davros gate I can only imagine what will happen to them in the future. It's not silly to think they'd change the name to Cyberpeople. |
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 18, 2024 14:41:58 GMT
Problem for me as well is that after Series 6, or thereabouts, I can't even remember loads of episodes because I've never re-watched anything, as it was boring enough the first time. lol I do remember the odd stories breaking through the haze of tedium, like Mummy on the Orient Express and Cold War, but there are so many that just didn't stick in my mind. I remember liking World Enough Time a lot, but then thinking part 2 was shit. But I can't remember why. Maybe that's one story I will watch again sometime. The Doctor Falls should have been great, but unfortunately the Master getting turned on by Missy is one of many reasons why I can never take it seriously as a drama. You've reminded me of why I blotted it out from my mind. This has always been NuWho's problem. Even when it achieves something half decent, it has to go and f*ck it up. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Sept 18, 2024 14:57:58 GMT
You can thank guys like Paul Cornell though who made it trendy to hate Pertwee in the 90s. Says Pertwee is a Tory then comes out as a red Tory. Yes. I can’t personally see the Third Doctor condoning the Iraq War on so-called humanitarian grounds… |
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Post by rushy on Sept 18, 2024 17:52:30 GMT
I don't mind the Master being turned on by himself - meeting your female incarnation is inherently a kind of weird concept, and the Master is definitely egotistical enough to love himself.
My main drawback in that story is the overreliance on nostalgia. 60s Cybermen is one thing, but having Capaldi literally talk in quotes was awful. Not to mention the random Logopolis regeneration callback and him shouting (for no real reason) about all the other times he's defeated the Cybermen.
I'm also irrationally annoyed by the fact that "No stars. Pity. I wish there'd be stars." isn't Capaldi's final line. It's such a great one to go out with.
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Post by RobFilth on Sept 18, 2024 19:26:21 GMT
Had the Doctor died at the end of "The Doctor Falls" at the end of his 12th incarnation (as he's bloody well supposed to!) and with tragic regret after the failure to protect a companion from being killed, then I might possibly just have been able to accept NuWho as a subpar less than perfect continuation of the Classic Series.
However, no, they had to have Bill come back as some stupid puddle creature and then beat the Classic Series fan completely around the head with an insulting caricature of the First Doctor behaving like a f*cking lusty sexual braggart and lotherio before without any rhyme and reason regenerating the character into an idiotic gurning woman.
NuWho can go f*ck itself.
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Maybe that's one story I will watch again sometime.
