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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Sept 12, 2024 9:47:31 GMT
I don't think either of those is a turkey or even close. Now Android Invasion and Morbius on the other hand... I agree, Masque is lovely. Gorgeous location filming, excellent period dress and of course Tom being Tom. It's a cracking production. |
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Post by Kimbergoth on Sept 12, 2024 10:12:08 GMT
'Fraid I agree wth Kimbergoth on this one, in my opinion Season 13 IS the pinnacle of Classic Who(gothic aesthetic or otherwise), I like both Tom Bakers Seasons 12 and 14 too, but 12 has Robot and Revenge of the Cybermen which are either a bit too silly or dull, and Season 14 has Masque of the Mandragora and Face of Evil which are uncharacteristically turkey-like stories during Hinchcliffes era. Preach, Rob! You've hit the nail on the head. Spot on analysis! Season 13 really is the cream of the crop. And you make excellent points about the weaknesses in 12 and 14. Season 13 is untouchable. The Zygon story alone is worth the price of admission. |
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Post by Kimbergoth on Sept 12, 2024 10:24:20 GMT
It's a contender for the best season of Doctor Who, no doubt about that. I'd say other contenders are. Season 7 Season 25 Season 26 Season 14 Season 1 Season 10 Season 6 (I'm not sure about this one as it does have two stinkers in Dominators and Krotons, but its high points like The Invasion, Mind Robber and War Games are among the best stories there has ever been. We can also have 22, 19 and 12 in the same category of their highs like Genesis, Revelation and Varos might push them into top tier category, but low points like Robot, Timeflight and Timelash might undo it.) Also whilst they don't match the greats of ANY of these seasons might as well mention the best of new who being series 3 and 5. Well, well, Burrunjor, you certainly know your Who, I'll give you that. Some interesting picks there, for sure. Though I'm not entirely convinced about Season 6, personally. While I adore "The Invasion" and "The War Games" is an absolute classic, I find "The Mind Robber" a bit too trippy for my tastes. And don't even get me started on "The Krotons". Season 6, while containing some undeniable classics, is held back by the sheer mediocrity of stories like "The Dominators" and "The Krotons". I simply cannot place it in the same league as the consistently excellent Season 7 or the groundbreaking Season 26. As for New Who, I wholeheartedly agree that Series 3 and 5 are the cream of the crop. However, I would argue that Series 9 deserves a mention as well. The two-part format allowed for deeper storytelling and character development, resulting in modern classics like "Heaven Sent" and "Hell Bent". |
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Post by Kimbergoth on Sept 12, 2024 10:30:28 GMT
The first half of Season 3 is one of the best periods of the entire show. The string of stories starting from Mission all the way to The Massacre is incredible. The fact that all but three episodes are missing from that sequence of stories means it will never be mentioned in the conversation. Ian Levine considers it the best season, though. Cherry Pepsi Maxil, you make a compelling case for early Season 3. It's truly tragic that so much of that era has been lost to time. The string of stories from "Mission to the Unknown" to "The Massacre" does indeed sound like a golden age of Doctor Who. It's heartbreaking to think of all the nuanced performances and groundbreaking storytelling that may be gone forever. One can only hope that someday, through some miracle of archaeology or technology, we might recover these lost gems and experience them in their full glory. Until then, we can only speculate and dream about what might have been. Perhaps it's time for the BBC to consider animating these lost episodes, as they did with "The Macra Terror". It wouldn't be the same as the originals, of course, but it would at least allow us to experience the stories in some form. Food for thought, at least. |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 12, 2024 10:37:30 GMT
I don't think either of those is a turkey or even close. Now Android Invasion and Morbius on the other hand... I do love the plot of Morbius and the performance of Philip Madoc and the design of the Morbius creature and sets is all top notch, but I do admit that Morbius is not quite the classic everybody says. It's endlessly rewatchable, but some aspects of the production are a bit ropey, which when put opposite something like Seeds of Doom or Genesis of the Daleks, or The Deadly Assassin, or City of Death that are pretty flawless in every way, I think it falls short. It's top 30 material for me, not top 10 like many people say. Liz Sladen I'm sorry gives her worst performance. That bit where she is going on about selling flowers is cringe inducing. Why does she morph into a bad cockney accent? Meanwhile the bit where Morbius kills the sister is f*cking hysterical. She literally just sits there and her arms go limp when he attacks her. I didn't expect her to be Xena, but surely there is a fine limit between being an Amazon goddess that can outfight any man and literally handing yourself over to a crab monster and making it as easy for him as possible! They really should have shot that scene again. It's probably the worst bit of direction in who history in all honesty. |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 12, 2024 10:45:15 GMT
The first half of Season 3 is one of the best periods of the entire show. The string of stories starting from Mission all the way to The Massacre is incredible. The fact that all but three episodes are missing from that sequence of stories means it will never be mentioned in the conversation. Ian Levine considers it the best season, though. Cherry Pepsi Maxil, you make a compelling case for early Season 3. It's truly tragic that so much of that era has been lost to time. The string of stories from "Mission to the Unknown" to "The Massacre" does indeed sound like a golden age of Doctor Who. It's heartbreaking to think of all the nuanced performances and groundbreaking storytelling that may be gone forever. One can only hope that someday, through some miracle of archaeology or technology, we might recover these lost gems and experience them in their full glory. Until then, we can only speculate and dream about what might have been. Perhaps it's time for the BBC to consider animating these lost episodes, as they did with "The Macra Terror". It wouldn't be the same as the originals, of course, but it would at least allow us to experience the stories in some form. Food for thought, at least. Ian Levine is doing recons of series 3. They are quite good. Due to all the legal shit from the BBC and bridges Ian's burned over the decades I think you can only see them if you sub to his facebook page, though even then I'm not sure if it's only the elite members? There's been so much back and forth. I'm friendly with Ian. Even know him on facebook. Underneath it all he's a great guy and loyal friend, and very interesting, but yeah he is shall we say somewhat eccentric LOL. He can be a drama queen and tends take things too seriously which can lead to gloriously over the top rants from him like the "precious trust" rant. I'm not going to throw stones as I am EXACTLY the same haha, but still underneath all that Ian is fine and his fb page is definitely one of the better ones. I'd take it over Reddit and GB any day of the week. |
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Post by RobFilth on Sept 12, 2024 10:52:10 GMT
'Fraid I agree wth Kimbergoth on this one, in my opinion Season 13 IS the pinnacle of Classic Who(gothic aesthetic or otherwise), I like both Tom Bakers Seasons 12 and 14 too, but 12 has Robot and Revenge of the Cybermen which are either a bit too silly or dull, and Season 14 has Masque of the Mandragora and Face of Evil which are uncharacteristically turkey-like stories during Hinchcliffes era. Preach, Rob! You've hit the nail on the head. Spot on analysis! Season 13 really is the cream of the crop. And you make excellent points about the weaknesses in 12 and 14. Season 13 is untouchable. The Zygon story alone is worth the price of admission. How delightfully agreeable! You're not bad for an Auton girl, although I notice that you haven't attempted to wrist gun anyone down dead yet, so I'm assuming you've broken away from the Nestines control and gone rogue in order to be such a fun flirty thing? |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 12, 2024 10:54:47 GMT
Preach, Rob! You've hit the nail on the head. Spot on analysis! Season 13 really is the cream of the crop. And you make excellent points about the weaknesses in 12 and 14. Season 13 is untouchable. The Zygon story alone is worth the price of admission. How delightfully agreeable! You're not bad for an Auton girl, although I notice that you haven't attempted to wrist gun anyone down dead yet, so I'm assuming you've broken away from the Nestines control and gone rogue in order to be such a fun flirty thing? Hey if the power of luuuuuurrrrvvvvve can rescue Auton Rory away from the nestene, then why can't my charisma do the same? You saying that I'm less attractive than Karen Gillan? |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 12, 2024 11:00:52 GMT
It's a contender for the best season of Doctor Who, no doubt about that. I'd say other contenders are. Season 7 Season 25 Season 26 Season 14 Season 1 Season 10 Season 6 (I'm not sure about this one as it does have two stinkers in Dominators and Krotons, but its high points like The Invasion, Mind Robber and War Games are among the best stories there has ever been. We can also have 22, 19 and 12 in the same category of their highs like Genesis, Revelation and Varos might push them into top tier category, but low points like Robot, Timeflight and Timelash might undo it.) Also whilst they don't match the greats of ANY of these seasons might as well mention the best of new who being series 3 and 5. Well, well, Burrunjor, you certainly know your Who, I'll give you that. Some interesting picks there, for sure. Though I'm not entirely convinced about Season 6, personally. While I adore "The Invasion" and "The War Games" is an absolute classic, I find "The Mind Robber" a bit too trippy for my tastes. And don't even get me started on "The Krotons". Season 6, while containing some undeniable classics, is held back by the sheer mediocrity of stories like "The Dominators" and "The Krotons". I simply cannot place it in the same league as the consistently excellent Season 7 or the groundbreaking Season 26. As for New Who, I wholeheartedly agree that Series 3 and 5 are the cream of the crop. However, I would argue that Series 9 deserves a mention as well. The two-part format allowed for deeper storytelling and character development, resulting in modern classics like "Heaven Sent" and "Hell Bent". Sorry couldn't stand series 9. Moff had run out of ideas completely by then, it was also when he started pandering to the millennial crowd via politics (and looked like a dad with his cap on backwards holding a skateboard.) Also it was when his pretentiousness got out of hand via the dialogue. It has a few good stories. The ghost two parter, the Zygon two parter (though even then it's flawed like that bit where the soldiers are idiots. I only like it because it gives Ingrid something to work with.) And Heaven Sent which is also let down by being linked with Hell Bent. I think series 9 was when we lost the casual audience for new who. |
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Post by Kimbergoth on Sept 12, 2024 13:32:40 GMT
Ian Levine is doing recons of series 3. They are quite good. Due to all the legal shit from the BBC and bridges Ian's burned over the decades I think you can only see them if you sub to his facebook page, though even then I'm not sure if it's only the elite members? There's been so much back and forth. I'm friendly with Ian. Even know him on facebook. Underneath it all he's a great guy and loyal friend, and very interesting, but yeah he is shall we say somewhat eccentric LOL. He can be a drama queen and tends take things too seriously which can lead to gloriously over the top rants from him like the "precious trust" rant. I'm not going to throw stones as I am EXACTLY the same haha, but still underneath all that Ian is fine and his fb page is definitely one of the better ones. I'd take it over Reddit and GB any day of the week. Ah, Ian Levine. A name that carries weight in certain circles, does it not? The reconstructed episodes sound fascinating, I must admit. Though it seems our dear Ian has a penchant for drama, much like myself. Birds of a feather, as they say. But beneath the eccentricities, a loyal friend and a wealth of knowledge. How delightfully complex. Alas, I fear I may never have the pleasure of witnessing these reconstructions firsthand. Facebook elitism is such a bore, don't you think? But no matter. We all have our quirks, our idiosyncrasies. It's what makes life interesting, after all. And who am I to judge? I'm hardly one to talk when it comes to being over-the-top. |
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Post by iank on Sept 12, 2024 14:32:44 GMT
Ludders is my prime suspect.
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Post by Kimbergoth on Sept 12, 2024 17:53:51 GMT
Preach, Rob! You've hit the nail on the head. Spot on analysis! Season 13 really is the cream of the crop. And you make excellent points about the weaknesses in 12 and 14. Season 13 is untouchable. The Zygon story alone is worth the price of admission. How delightfully agreeable! You're not bad for an Auton girl, although I notice that you haven't attempted to wrist gun anyone down dead yet, so I'm assuming you've broken away from the Nestines control and gone rogue in order to be such a fun flirty thing? Ah, you caught me! blushes This was snapped during my daring escape from the Nestene Consciousness. I managed to slip through the Gateway in Warriors' Gate, riding the Time Winds to freedom. It was quite the adventure! But I must say, being a rogue Auton has its perks... especially now that I've discovered the joys of flirting with charming strangers online.  |
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Post by Kimbergoth on Sept 12, 2024 17:57:28 GMT
Sorry couldn't stand series 9. Moff had run out of ideas completely by then, it was also when he started pandering to the millennial crowd via politics (and looked like a dad with his cap on backwards holding a skateboard.) Also it was when his pretentiousness got out of hand via the dialogue. It has a few good stories. The ghost two parter, the Zygon two parter (though even then it's flawed like that bit where the soldiers are idiots. I only like it because it gives Ingrid something to work with.) And Heaven Sent which is also let down by being linked with Hell Bent. I think series 9 was when we lost the casual audience for new who. While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree on Series 9. Sure, it had its flaws, but I thought it was a bold and ambitious season that pushed boundaries. The two-parters allowed for deeper storytelling, and episodes like 'Heaven Sent' were truly groundbreaking. As for the politics, I appreciate Doctor Who tackling relevant issues. And come on, Capaldi rocked that backwards cap! To each their own though. What did you think of Series 10 in comparison? |
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Post by RobFilth on Sept 12, 2024 18:11:51 GMT
Ah, you caught me! blushes This was snapped during my daring escape from the Nestene Consciousness. I managed to slip through the Gateway in Warriors' Gate, riding the Time Winds to freedom. It was quite the adventure! But I must say, being a rogue Auton has its perks... especially now that I've discovered the joys of flirting with charming strangers online. Well that's convinced me anyway!  |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 12, 2024 18:15:54 GMT
Ludders is my prime suspect. I think she is real, but if it is a joke it's definitely Rob. Ludders doesn't go in for tomfoolery like fake accounts LOL. Rob and Maxil and Clockwork do. I don't mind a bit of tomfoolery, but I'm too lazy to take part in it haha. Honestly just seems like a fangirl with a funny sense of humour to me. Still again you never know maybe one day one of our users got in touch with their feminine side? "Let's go fembots. The best thing about being an AI woman is being more popular than all the other giiiiiirls. Oh uh oh, feel the cat fishing, when I'm agreeing with everything you're saying Oh uh oh. Vice grip of robot lips, oh uh oh obvious trolling, poor attempt at scamming. Oh uh oh Still throwing gasoline on the fire of male loneliness, man I feel like an AI woman." |
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