Post by burrunjor on Aug 31, 2024 12:24:36 GMT
I'm not sure if I did a thread on this here? I did it on reddit where it did surprisingly well LOL. Anyway the classic 1994 Spider-Man animated series is I think both the biggest inspiration for and the biggest precursor to the first RTD era of DW.
Now I'm not saying this to shit on the RTD era at all. Every single work of fiction takes inspiration from another. Also being original isn't always the best thing. I mean look at DW in general's predecessor, the French novel Doctor Omega. Whilst Doctor Omega is a fun, enjoyable read, it's safe to say that DW got more out of the idea of an eccentric, long white haired, mad, time travelling professor than it did. Of course I don't know for sure if RTD did even take inspiration from the series, as at the same time just as many works are similar through coincidence as inspiration. Still RTD is a huge Marvel fan, and a huge comic book fan and he knows about Venom, having changed the Lazarus experiment from being about an alien symbiote as he was afraid it would clash with Spider-Man 3 (that was before SM 3 was released so the fact that he knew about Venom before hand shows he was a fan of the character, but again whether that means he saw the animated version, who knows?)
Still either way Spider-Man TAS is more similar to RTD 1 than any other show, including even Buffy and Xena that are more frequently compared to it.
Now Spider-Man TAS for those of you who haven't seen it, is obviously an adaptation of the famous character. It ran for five seasons and follows the same basic plot as the comic, Peter Parker is an ordinary nerd who one day when visiting a demonstration of a new experiment is bitten by a radioactive Spider and gains super powers. He first tries to become a celeb, but after refusing to stop a mugger as it's not his problem, his uncle is killed by the same mugger and he decides to use his powers for good, becoming Spider-Man.
Now generally this series has a lot of similarities with RTD era who in that both are sci fi, soap operas. That was always Spider-Man's thing, he was a superhero who still dealt with everyday problems, was a bit more mopey, angsty and the animated version is no different. Meanwhile the RTD era famously or infamously depending on your perspective brought that type of dynamic into DW and the Tenth Doctor was also written as a younger, more emotional, tortured, angsty, nerdy, but charismatic hero that little boys loved because he was a more accessible role model, whilst little girls liked him because he was more sensitive and down to earth, less intimidating pin up, like Spider-Man.
Also both existed in a shared universe and had crossovers with numerous other series too and finally both also stood out from their predecessors in terms of other Spider-Men cartoons and other eras of DW by focusing on season long story arcs. Now these similarities are obviously very generic, but I think when taken with the main story arc in both eras, the Dalek and Symbiote story arc they both fit together. The Dalek/Sumbiote arcs similarities are very vague at first, but by the end both are very similar, maybe too much to be a coincidence?
Season 1 of both shows: Claustrophobic Horror
The Symbiote arc in Spider-Man starts in the first episode, a more lowkey adventure where Spidey has to fight an old enemy underground. We are introduced to Eddie Brock, a rival reporter whose career Spider-Man both accidentally and in some cases deliberately sabotages. We see Brock's downfall slowly bubble away in the background, until the finale, the Alien costume saga. In that story some astronauts whilst mining for moon rocks accidentally release a hideous black goo creature that attacks them and follows them back to the ship, causing it crash land. When Spider-Man shows up to rescue the astronauts, the goo bonds itself to him, taking the form of a new and sexy black costume that makes him stronger. However the black costume starts to take him over and makes him go crazy. It is revealed to be a symbiote and Spidey rejects it before it consumes him, but the suit soon finds Eddie Brock and they merge to become Venom, Spider-Man's greatest foe, who proceeds to stalk and torture him almost to madness, before Spider-Man is able to trick Venom, by luring him to a rocket site, where the noise of it separates Brock from the suit (as noise is its only weakness.) Spidey then webs the symbiote to the rocket taking it back to space.
Now this is not really that similar to the Dalek arc in season 1. Both are distinct, but there are still some similarities. Both introduce what will be the biggest villain of the series in a similar way. Both's introduction is built up slowly over the series, like the Time War, Holy Jagrafess before they appear, both are established as the biggest enemy in similar ways. Both literally thrash other villains like Rhino and the Autons (whose home planet the Daleks destroyed.) Both also push the hero to his limits more. 9 and Spidey who are normally jokey in the face of danger, are scared shitless against these villains and resort to dirtier tactics to stop them like Eccelston trying to shoot an unarmed, confused Dalek, Spider-Man using psychological warfare against Brock. Also both villains introductory stories are lowkey, intense, claustrophobic, scary adventures showing the hero have to go up against them either alone or in a confined area. Again though the similarities are generic at this point but they become a lot closer from now on.
Season 3 of Spider-Man/2 of New Who/ Multiverse shenanigans.
In the first episode of season 3 of Spider-Man, he fights an enemy from another universe, Dormammu. He is an ancient demon that travels from universe to universe turning them into hell dimensions, but who was imprisoned in the last he took over. However he was still able to reach through to some extent to our own and gather a cult led by the evil Wizard Mordo who attempts to free him, but Spider-Man stops them, though Mordo escapes.
Later in the season Stark Industries (which is the focus of another show set in this continuity, Iron Man TAS, with Tony Stark being Iron Man to those who don't know.) Invents a multi dimensional machine which is hailed as a breakthrough, but Spider-Man sees it as dangerous. Sure enough Baron Mordo soon infiltrates Stark Industries via a forged identity and plans to use the probe to bring Dormammu out. However he isn't strong enough to do so on his own, so he brings the rocket the symbiote was attached to back to earth and rebonds it with Brock who he makes swear an oath of alligence to Dormammu. Whilst it was in space the Symbiote also gave birth (as they reproduce asexually.) The second symbiote is then bonded to Cletus Kasady, a serial killer and they become Carnage. Whilst Venom and Carnage steal the interdimensional tech, they don't get on and Venom soon leaves to go after Spider-Man whilst Carnage continues to help Mordo.
Brock eventually gives up the symbiote on the urging of the woman he loves, but after she is kidnapped by Carnage, Brock rejoins with it and helps Spider-Man and Iron Man try to stop Carnage and Mordo.Though Dormammu does escape briefly, Spider-Man reverses the interdimensional machine sending Dormammu back into hell, with Venom and Carnage also falling through the portal and becoming trapped in the nothingness between worlds. Sadly Spider-Man's other foe the Green Goblin later steals the left over interdimensional technology and uses it to spy on him and discover Spideys secret identity after which he kidnaps his love interest Mary Jane and in the resulting fight, both the Goblin and Mary Jane fall through a portal and become trapped in the nothingness between worlds. Worse it's all Spider-Man's fault as he arrogantly didn't listen to his mentor Madame Webb, a strange being that appeared at the start of the series and warned him.
Not hard to draw the similarities between this and season 2 of new who. The Doctor fights an enemy from another universe, the Cybus Cybermen earlier in the series and defeats them, but they escape. Later a company that will be the focus of one of the other shows in this shared continuity, Torchwood are experimenting with interdimensional technology that the hero is iffy about. Sure enough the villain from the other universe, the Cybusmen then infiltrate Torchwood and take it over to bring their forces in. However the season 1 villain, the Daleks soon become caught up in it. Both villains ultimately clash and the Doctor is forced into a temporary alliance with the less evil side, the Cybusmen to try and stop them, though in the end he beats all the villains by reversing the interdimensional technology and hurling them into the nothingness between universes. Sadly the woman he loves, Rose is also pulled through the portal (though unlike poor Mary Jane at least she does end up in the other universes.) Still she is separated from him and it's the heroes fault as he was arrogant earlier in the series in his approach, which led to Queen Victoria creating Torchwood. Same basic plot.
Season 4 of Spider-Man/ 3 of New Who/ Better companions
In the next seasons of both shows our mopey hero is even mopier than usual, but he does soon land on his feet with a new female companion. Black Cat in Spider-Man's case, and Martha Jones in the Doctors. Both help the hero through his mopey phase and both are clearly in love with him, but sadly he doesn't quite feel the same way. At the end of both series they leave him and go to work with one of his former allies, Blade in Spidey's case, UNIT in Martha's, however the two women part on good terms with the hero and he later says they were the ones to get him through the darkest times, and he later calls on her for help in the subsequent season (and in both cases inadvertently rips her from her new life at one point before sending her back.)
Ironically whilst in universe the hero doesn't like them as much as their previous love interest, the fandom overall VASTLY preferred them. Mary Jane and Rose aren't exactly unpopular, but a lot of fans felt they dragged the show down into soap opera tedium, that the love triangle between MJ/Spider-Man and her existing boyfriend and the Doctor/Rose and her existing boyfriend actually made the hero and his love interest come over as unsympathetic. Also in both cases the hero was meant to become arrogant with them, which led to Peter/MJ and Doctor/Rose becoming a schmoopy couple.
Martha/Black Cat in contrast had more natural, sexier chemistry with the hero and didn't bog the show down in as much soap opera (guy fans in particular often prefer them for being less soapy, whilst girl fans tend to see them as more relatable in Martha's case and a more badass role model in Black Cat's.) Generally speaking the fandoms of both shows look on the hero as a lunatic for not appreciating them, even though to be fair he did and says they got him out of his worst rut LOL, they still think he was an idiot.
Season 5 of Spider-Man/ 4 of New Who/ Destruction of all Reality itself.
The final season of both shows sees a deranged villain from two seasons ago try and blow up every universe.
In Spider-Man season 5, Madame Web returns after two years and whisks Spider-Man away, with it being revealed she is working for another entity called the Beyonder who wants Spider-Man to take part in a huge battle. In another reality, Spider-Man had things hard. Both his aunt and uncle were killed by the mugger and his Mary Jane died too. He was then kidnapped by a scientist called Miles Warren who creates a clone of him. Spider-Man and his clone both managed to escape from the lab at the same time and the clone then dyed his hair, moved to another city and called himself Ben Reilly. However the real Peter Parker still despised Ben as he felt he was trying to steal his life. Later a test showed that Ben may have been the real one, and Peter the clone (as they both escaped at the same time and had no memory of being captured or experimented on but had the same memories of their lives.)
Later when the Kingpin was experimenting with the interdimensional tech of that reality, Peter Parker tried to kill Ben who had shown up to stop the Kingpin and whilst they were fighting the Kingpin fled leaving the machine on, which created a rip in the universe. The Carnage symbiote that was still trapped between worlds, sensed the rip and left Kasady before entering this new universe. Attracted to Parker's hatred and angst it bonded to him, with the two becoming the insane and evil Spider-Carnage.
Spider-Carnage then goes on to use the interdimensional technology to build bomb creates a firey wormhole that not only destroys everything in his universe, but all realities too. (He does so because he wants to get back at the world that he thinks has been tormenting him.) The Beyonder however came from a universe where time ran ahead and he travelled back to before the bomb was set off, along with his companion Madame Web. Both however were drained and too weak to fight Spider-Carnage themselves, so they travelled throughout the universes, gathering an army of Spider-Men from them to stop Spider-Carnage, with our Spidery being made the leader. The Spider-Men are able to defeat Spider-Carnage, but he escapes into another reality to start again. In this reality however Uncle Ben never died and so our Spider-Man is able to use him to get through to Spider-Carnage, sadly however the symbiote can't be separated and knowing it will take him over again, Spider-Carnage kills himself to save all of reality.
Now the similarities between this and DW season 4 are many. The Daleks return and build a weapon capable of destroying every universe and do actually manage to set it off. However Rose who was trapped in a universe where time runs ahead, travelled backwards in time to before it was set off, and like Madame Web appears as a shadowy figure throughout, though she is only able to warn the hero at the end of the series.
Much like with Spider-Carnage, multiple versions of the hero are created to stop the reality bomb. (in both cases, one of them, the armoured Spider-Man and the meta Doctor are arrogant and cocky.) However even with that in both cases an ordinary person, Uncle Ben and Donna play an important role in stopping it, and most surprisingly of all the villain has a redemption story of sorts, with one of the Daleks, Dalek Caan much like Spider-Carnage being the hero, though sadly like Spider-Carnage he is forced to kill himself too.
Here watch Spider-Carnage's rant to destroy all of reality and tell me you don't see Davros?
Planned season 6/Specials of the RTD era/ Victorian England Hijinks
The death of Spider-Carnage and final destruction of the Daleks marks the end of both eras essentially. The main arc is done, and both season 5 of SM TAS and New Who season 4 are the last full seasons of their respective eras/versions. However John Semper, the producer of Spider-Man TAS did want to do a sixth season. He said in an interview taken in 1999 that it would have been a short miniseries that would have tied up a few loose ends.
Its first episode would have seen Madame Web take Spider-Man through time to Victorian England. That is where Mary Jane would be, after she fell into the nothingness between worlds in S3, she would have fallen through one of the few natural portals to the nothingness which led to 19th century England. Unfortunately after arriving in Victorian England, Mary Jane would have lost her memories and be living with a new family who had taken her in.
Meanwhile it would also be revealed that the real Carnage had fallen through this same portal and was stalking the streets of Victorian London, killing people. (As to how Carnage had survived, after the symbiote left Cletus Kasady to bond to the alternate Spider-Man, pieces of it had remained in Kasady's blood which eventually formed into a new symbiote, which is what happened in the comics when Kasady lost the symbiote.)
Carnage would have apparently been the inspiration for Jack the Ripper and would have targeted Mary Jane who he knew from his time, but Spider-Man would have stopped him and restored MJ's memories, with there being a dilemma of not wanting to take her from her new family. In the end however she'd have gone home with Spider-Man.
Sadly however this series was never made, but exactly ten years later RTD as we know would sort of realise it. His era would also bow out with a series of specials, the first of which after series 4, sees the Doctor travel to Victorian England, where he learns the Cybermen he trapped in the nothingness between realities 2 years prior have fallen through time and are now stalking the streets picking people off, and there is also a story about the Doctor helping a man who lost his memories as a result of the Cybermen.
Again it could all be a coincidence, but given RTD's desire to emulate Marvel and his knowledge of Venom prior to SM3 which introduced the character to mainstream audiences, I'd say RTD took notes and even if he didn't then John Sempers Spider-Man is the precursor to the RTD era in terms of plots, again more so ironically than Buffy or Angel.
It's also worth mentioning that if you go by spin off material then both shows are linked. According to Marvel Comics the Doctor Who universe takes place in the Marvel universe, and the Doctor has even visited the Marvel universe a few times and knows Reed Richards. Furthermore Marvel has also said that all of their productions, adaptations exist in their multiverse which includes Spider-Man. Therefore if you take this as canon to both, Spider-Man saved the Doctor Who universe from being blown up by Spider-Carnage in 1998, whilst the Doctor returned the favour in 2008 and saved the Spider-Man universe from the Daleks LOL.
(This also means that perhaps in one universe the Carnage symbiote bonded itself to Davros. Think of the horror!)
Now I'm not saying this to shit on the RTD era at all. Every single work of fiction takes inspiration from another. Also being original isn't always the best thing. I mean look at DW in general's predecessor, the French novel Doctor Omega. Whilst Doctor Omega is a fun, enjoyable read, it's safe to say that DW got more out of the idea of an eccentric, long white haired, mad, time travelling professor than it did. Of course I don't know for sure if RTD did even take inspiration from the series, as at the same time just as many works are similar through coincidence as inspiration. Still RTD is a huge Marvel fan, and a huge comic book fan and he knows about Venom, having changed the Lazarus experiment from being about an alien symbiote as he was afraid it would clash with Spider-Man 3 (that was before SM 3 was released so the fact that he knew about Venom before hand shows he was a fan of the character, but again whether that means he saw the animated version, who knows?)
Still either way Spider-Man TAS is more similar to RTD 1 than any other show, including even Buffy and Xena that are more frequently compared to it.
Now Spider-Man TAS for those of you who haven't seen it, is obviously an adaptation of the famous character. It ran for five seasons and follows the same basic plot as the comic, Peter Parker is an ordinary nerd who one day when visiting a demonstration of a new experiment is bitten by a radioactive Spider and gains super powers. He first tries to become a celeb, but after refusing to stop a mugger as it's not his problem, his uncle is killed by the same mugger and he decides to use his powers for good, becoming Spider-Man.
Now generally this series has a lot of similarities with RTD era who in that both are sci fi, soap operas. That was always Spider-Man's thing, he was a superhero who still dealt with everyday problems, was a bit more mopey, angsty and the animated version is no different. Meanwhile the RTD era famously or infamously depending on your perspective brought that type of dynamic into DW and the Tenth Doctor was also written as a younger, more emotional, tortured, angsty, nerdy, but charismatic hero that little boys loved because he was a more accessible role model, whilst little girls liked him because he was more sensitive and down to earth, less intimidating pin up, like Spider-Man.
Also both existed in a shared universe and had crossovers with numerous other series too and finally both also stood out from their predecessors in terms of other Spider-Men cartoons and other eras of DW by focusing on season long story arcs. Now these similarities are obviously very generic, but I think when taken with the main story arc in both eras, the Dalek and Symbiote story arc they both fit together. The Dalek/Sumbiote arcs similarities are very vague at first, but by the end both are very similar, maybe too much to be a coincidence?
Season 1 of both shows: Claustrophobic Horror
The Symbiote arc in Spider-Man starts in the first episode, a more lowkey adventure where Spidey has to fight an old enemy underground. We are introduced to Eddie Brock, a rival reporter whose career Spider-Man both accidentally and in some cases deliberately sabotages. We see Brock's downfall slowly bubble away in the background, until the finale, the Alien costume saga. In that story some astronauts whilst mining for moon rocks accidentally release a hideous black goo creature that attacks them and follows them back to the ship, causing it crash land. When Spider-Man shows up to rescue the astronauts, the goo bonds itself to him, taking the form of a new and sexy black costume that makes him stronger. However the black costume starts to take him over and makes him go crazy. It is revealed to be a symbiote and Spidey rejects it before it consumes him, but the suit soon finds Eddie Brock and they merge to become Venom, Spider-Man's greatest foe, who proceeds to stalk and torture him almost to madness, before Spider-Man is able to trick Venom, by luring him to a rocket site, where the noise of it separates Brock from the suit (as noise is its only weakness.) Spidey then webs the symbiote to the rocket taking it back to space.
Now this is not really that similar to the Dalek arc in season 1. Both are distinct, but there are still some similarities. Both introduce what will be the biggest villain of the series in a similar way. Both's introduction is built up slowly over the series, like the Time War, Holy Jagrafess before they appear, both are established as the biggest enemy in similar ways. Both literally thrash other villains like Rhino and the Autons (whose home planet the Daleks destroyed.) Both also push the hero to his limits more. 9 and Spidey who are normally jokey in the face of danger, are scared shitless against these villains and resort to dirtier tactics to stop them like Eccelston trying to shoot an unarmed, confused Dalek, Spider-Man using psychological warfare against Brock. Also both villains introductory stories are lowkey, intense, claustrophobic, scary adventures showing the hero have to go up against them either alone or in a confined area. Again though the similarities are generic at this point but they become a lot closer from now on.
Season 3 of Spider-Man/2 of New Who/ Multiverse shenanigans.
In the first episode of season 3 of Spider-Man, he fights an enemy from another universe, Dormammu. He is an ancient demon that travels from universe to universe turning them into hell dimensions, but who was imprisoned in the last he took over. However he was still able to reach through to some extent to our own and gather a cult led by the evil Wizard Mordo who attempts to free him, but Spider-Man stops them, though Mordo escapes.
Later in the season Stark Industries (which is the focus of another show set in this continuity, Iron Man TAS, with Tony Stark being Iron Man to those who don't know.) Invents a multi dimensional machine which is hailed as a breakthrough, but Spider-Man sees it as dangerous. Sure enough Baron Mordo soon infiltrates Stark Industries via a forged identity and plans to use the probe to bring Dormammu out. However he isn't strong enough to do so on his own, so he brings the rocket the symbiote was attached to back to earth and rebonds it with Brock who he makes swear an oath of alligence to Dormammu. Whilst it was in space the Symbiote also gave birth (as they reproduce asexually.) The second symbiote is then bonded to Cletus Kasady, a serial killer and they become Carnage. Whilst Venom and Carnage steal the interdimensional tech, they don't get on and Venom soon leaves to go after Spider-Man whilst Carnage continues to help Mordo.
Brock eventually gives up the symbiote on the urging of the woman he loves, but after she is kidnapped by Carnage, Brock rejoins with it and helps Spider-Man and Iron Man try to stop Carnage and Mordo.Though Dormammu does escape briefly, Spider-Man reverses the interdimensional machine sending Dormammu back into hell, with Venom and Carnage also falling through the portal and becoming trapped in the nothingness between worlds. Sadly Spider-Man's other foe the Green Goblin later steals the left over interdimensional technology and uses it to spy on him and discover Spideys secret identity after which he kidnaps his love interest Mary Jane and in the resulting fight, both the Goblin and Mary Jane fall through a portal and become trapped in the nothingness between worlds. Worse it's all Spider-Man's fault as he arrogantly didn't listen to his mentor Madame Webb, a strange being that appeared at the start of the series and warned him.
Not hard to draw the similarities between this and season 2 of new who. The Doctor fights an enemy from another universe, the Cybus Cybermen earlier in the series and defeats them, but they escape. Later a company that will be the focus of one of the other shows in this shared continuity, Torchwood are experimenting with interdimensional technology that the hero is iffy about. Sure enough the villain from the other universe, the Cybusmen then infiltrate Torchwood and take it over to bring their forces in. However the season 1 villain, the Daleks soon become caught up in it. Both villains ultimately clash and the Doctor is forced into a temporary alliance with the less evil side, the Cybusmen to try and stop them, though in the end he beats all the villains by reversing the interdimensional technology and hurling them into the nothingness between universes. Sadly the woman he loves, Rose is also pulled through the portal (though unlike poor Mary Jane at least she does end up in the other universes.) Still she is separated from him and it's the heroes fault as he was arrogant earlier in the series in his approach, which led to Queen Victoria creating Torchwood. Same basic plot.
Season 4 of Spider-Man/ 3 of New Who/ Better companions
In the next seasons of both shows our mopey hero is even mopier than usual, but he does soon land on his feet with a new female companion. Black Cat in Spider-Man's case, and Martha Jones in the Doctors. Both help the hero through his mopey phase and both are clearly in love with him, but sadly he doesn't quite feel the same way. At the end of both series they leave him and go to work with one of his former allies, Blade in Spidey's case, UNIT in Martha's, however the two women part on good terms with the hero and he later says they were the ones to get him through the darkest times, and he later calls on her for help in the subsequent season (and in both cases inadvertently rips her from her new life at one point before sending her back.)
Ironically whilst in universe the hero doesn't like them as much as their previous love interest, the fandom overall VASTLY preferred them. Mary Jane and Rose aren't exactly unpopular, but a lot of fans felt they dragged the show down into soap opera tedium, that the love triangle between MJ/Spider-Man and her existing boyfriend and the Doctor/Rose and her existing boyfriend actually made the hero and his love interest come over as unsympathetic. Also in both cases the hero was meant to become arrogant with them, which led to Peter/MJ and Doctor/Rose becoming a schmoopy couple.
Martha/Black Cat in contrast had more natural, sexier chemistry with the hero and didn't bog the show down in as much soap opera (guy fans in particular often prefer them for being less soapy, whilst girl fans tend to see them as more relatable in Martha's case and a more badass role model in Black Cat's.) Generally speaking the fandoms of both shows look on the hero as a lunatic for not appreciating them, even though to be fair he did and says they got him out of his worst rut LOL, they still think he was an idiot.
Season 5 of Spider-Man/ 4 of New Who/ Destruction of all Reality itself.
The final season of both shows sees a deranged villain from two seasons ago try and blow up every universe.
In Spider-Man season 5, Madame Web returns after two years and whisks Spider-Man away, with it being revealed she is working for another entity called the Beyonder who wants Spider-Man to take part in a huge battle. In another reality, Spider-Man had things hard. Both his aunt and uncle were killed by the mugger and his Mary Jane died too. He was then kidnapped by a scientist called Miles Warren who creates a clone of him. Spider-Man and his clone both managed to escape from the lab at the same time and the clone then dyed his hair, moved to another city and called himself Ben Reilly. However the real Peter Parker still despised Ben as he felt he was trying to steal his life. Later a test showed that Ben may have been the real one, and Peter the clone (as they both escaped at the same time and had no memory of being captured or experimented on but had the same memories of their lives.)
Later when the Kingpin was experimenting with the interdimensional tech of that reality, Peter Parker tried to kill Ben who had shown up to stop the Kingpin and whilst they were fighting the Kingpin fled leaving the machine on, which created a rip in the universe. The Carnage symbiote that was still trapped between worlds, sensed the rip and left Kasady before entering this new universe. Attracted to Parker's hatred and angst it bonded to him, with the two becoming the insane and evil Spider-Carnage.
Spider-Carnage then goes on to use the interdimensional technology to build bomb creates a firey wormhole that not only destroys everything in his universe, but all realities too. (He does so because he wants to get back at the world that he thinks has been tormenting him.) The Beyonder however came from a universe where time ran ahead and he travelled back to before the bomb was set off, along with his companion Madame Web. Both however were drained and too weak to fight Spider-Carnage themselves, so they travelled throughout the universes, gathering an army of Spider-Men from them to stop Spider-Carnage, with our Spidery being made the leader. The Spider-Men are able to defeat Spider-Carnage, but he escapes into another reality to start again. In this reality however Uncle Ben never died and so our Spider-Man is able to use him to get through to Spider-Carnage, sadly however the symbiote can't be separated and knowing it will take him over again, Spider-Carnage kills himself to save all of reality.
Now the similarities between this and DW season 4 are many. The Daleks return and build a weapon capable of destroying every universe and do actually manage to set it off. However Rose who was trapped in a universe where time runs ahead, travelled backwards in time to before it was set off, and like Madame Web appears as a shadowy figure throughout, though she is only able to warn the hero at the end of the series.
Much like with Spider-Carnage, multiple versions of the hero are created to stop the reality bomb. (in both cases, one of them, the armoured Spider-Man and the meta Doctor are arrogant and cocky.) However even with that in both cases an ordinary person, Uncle Ben and Donna play an important role in stopping it, and most surprisingly of all the villain has a redemption story of sorts, with one of the Daleks, Dalek Caan much like Spider-Carnage being the hero, though sadly like Spider-Carnage he is forced to kill himself too.
Here watch Spider-Carnage's rant to destroy all of reality and tell me you don't see Davros?
Planned season 6/Specials of the RTD era/ Victorian England Hijinks
The death of Spider-Carnage and final destruction of the Daleks marks the end of both eras essentially. The main arc is done, and both season 5 of SM TAS and New Who season 4 are the last full seasons of their respective eras/versions. However John Semper, the producer of Spider-Man TAS did want to do a sixth season. He said in an interview taken in 1999 that it would have been a short miniseries that would have tied up a few loose ends.
Its first episode would have seen Madame Web take Spider-Man through time to Victorian England. That is where Mary Jane would be, after she fell into the nothingness between worlds in S3, she would have fallen through one of the few natural portals to the nothingness which led to 19th century England. Unfortunately after arriving in Victorian England, Mary Jane would have lost her memories and be living with a new family who had taken her in.
Meanwhile it would also be revealed that the real Carnage had fallen through this same portal and was stalking the streets of Victorian London, killing people. (As to how Carnage had survived, after the symbiote left Cletus Kasady to bond to the alternate Spider-Man, pieces of it had remained in Kasady's blood which eventually formed into a new symbiote, which is what happened in the comics when Kasady lost the symbiote.)
Carnage would have apparently been the inspiration for Jack the Ripper and would have targeted Mary Jane who he knew from his time, but Spider-Man would have stopped him and restored MJ's memories, with there being a dilemma of not wanting to take her from her new family. In the end however she'd have gone home with Spider-Man.
Sadly however this series was never made, but exactly ten years later RTD as we know would sort of realise it. His era would also bow out with a series of specials, the first of which after series 4, sees the Doctor travel to Victorian England, where he learns the Cybermen he trapped in the nothingness between realities 2 years prior have fallen through time and are now stalking the streets picking people off, and there is also a story about the Doctor helping a man who lost his memories as a result of the Cybermen.
Again it could all be a coincidence, but given RTD's desire to emulate Marvel and his knowledge of Venom prior to SM3 which introduced the character to mainstream audiences, I'd say RTD took notes and even if he didn't then John Sempers Spider-Man is the precursor to the RTD era in terms of plots, again more so ironically than Buffy or Angel.
It's also worth mentioning that if you go by spin off material then both shows are linked. According to Marvel Comics the Doctor Who universe takes place in the Marvel universe, and the Doctor has even visited the Marvel universe a few times and knows Reed Richards. Furthermore Marvel has also said that all of their productions, adaptations exist in their multiverse which includes Spider-Man. Therefore if you take this as canon to both, Spider-Man saved the Doctor Who universe from being blown up by Spider-Carnage in 1998, whilst the Doctor returned the favour in 2008 and saved the Spider-Man universe from the Daleks LOL.
(This also means that perhaps in one universe the Carnage symbiote bonded itself to Davros. Think of the horror!)
