Doctor Who Earthshock 1968

[medicusitic]

Edit of Earthshock part 1 and 2 to replace the Andriods with the 60s cybermen.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6h9BVeNRaQ

Thoughts? If you wouldnt mind share this around (I wonder what Ian Levine would think of this). I am gauging if it is viable to do something a bit more ambitious with classic who.

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Yes, death to 80s Cybermen

[iank]

Yeah cause the Cybusmen were SO much better.

Not.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

Jul 12, 2024 23:41:17 GMT iank said:

Yeah cause the Cybusmen were SO much better.

Not.

I know right. These Cyber Snobs are tripping balls.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

I personally don't need to see another version of Earthshock. They got it right the first time.

[burrunjor]

Jul 12, 2024 23:41:17 GMT iank said:

Yeah cause the Cybusmen were SO much better.

Not.

The Cybusmen were actually pretty cool in their opening two parter. The horror of conversion was brought to the fore again, they seemed genuinely scary and unstoppable when they cornered people, the lingering close ups of their blank faces, and the stomping and designs I think worked in this story. It suited the more primitive, clunky industrialized theme they were going for. The bit where the woman regains her emotions is genuinely chilling. 

They are just let down by the finale. You know I'm the biggest Dalek fanboy (apart from Ludders and we'll even be doing a Dalek spin off together with any luck soon LOL.) Still season 2 should have been the Cybermen's time to shine, with not a Dalek in sight. 

Sadly Doomsday forever undermined the Cybusmen and made them the Daleks bitchy boys in popular culture. 

(I will say that they also clung to the Cybus design for too long. Like I said it works in the first story as a primitive, clunky, industrialized Cyberman design, but it should have progressed and made them more streamlined for later stories. That said though the Sugababe Cybermen from Dark Water were worse.) 

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I'm nostalgic for the design but the flared trousers were a bit much. I just can't get over how long both the NuWho Dalek and Cyberman designs have been in the show. The bronze Daleks have been in constant use for almost 20 years, and the Cybusmen were in the show as recently as 2020. I guess the New Paradigm disaster really got them shaking in their boots at the prospect of redesigning the villains. In all honesty, they're both looking a little dated nowadays. They suited the grungy aesthetic of the naughties, but they feel out of their time. With the Daleks, it's a simple case of changing the colour and making the design sleeker. Gunmetal grey would be my choice; it's hard to do a metal effect in black without it looking cheap and plasticky (see: Dalek Sec). With the Cybermen however, you basically need to go back to the drawing board. The NuWho lineage is a conceptual dead end, all its potential is spent. I wouldn't mind a return to a more Mondasian design, but maybe you just need some art designer to go balls to the walls and do some crazy art deco thing, who knows.

I also hate the idea of Cyberman Empires like they did with Smith and later Whittaker. They even went so far as to insinuate that they had wiped out all organic humans, which completely violates the ethos of their place in the show. In Classic Who, and the first RTD era to an extent, they were always trying to survive. It was a bitter irony that, though had "upgraded" themselves and boasted physical and mental superiority over organic lifeforms, they were always on the brink of extinction. The Cybermen could never succeed, because they were antithetical to the very nature of life and existence itself; the universe has a way of working this stuff out. In that sense they were always a bit pathetic, a mindless grope into a future that doesn't exist. Progress for progress's sake. It was an optimistic outlook on human nature, and a defiance of the notion that machines would eventually eclipse the need for human governance. Modern Who has completely lost that nuance imo

[Ludders II]

I didn't mind their first story as much as what came later, but one of the biggest things that put me off them was the noisy stomping around parade ground fashion.
Long gone are the chilling metal ghosts of the 60s, and in come these noisy, militaristic versions in suits of armour. I'm surprised the Cyberleader wasn't carrying a baton under his arm.

[rushy]

I love the 80s Cybermen, especially the performance of David Banks. But I can never get over what an inane drag Earthshock is. Adric acts like a complete twit, Davison isn't much better and is reduced to breathless shouting (his inexperience shows more than ever). It takes two episodes for the Cybermen to even turn up, and we have to spend all that time with forgettable characters fighting boring androids. I haven't even gotten to the soap opera captain yet. Dreadful. Attack of the Cybermen and Silver Nemesis are massive improvements on every level.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

Jul 13, 2024 17:58:56 GMT burrunjor said:

Jul 12, 2024 23:41:17 GMT iank said:

Yeah cause the Cybusmen were SO much better.

Not.

The Cybusmen were actually pretty cool in their opening two parter. The horror of conversion was brought to the fore again, they seemed genuinely scary and unstoppable when they cornered people, the lingering close ups of their blank faces, and the stomping and designs I think worked in this story. It suited the more primitive, clunky industrialized theme they were going for. The bit where the woman regains her emotions is genuinely chilling. 

They are just let down by the finale. You know I'm the biggest Dalek fanboy (apart from Ludders and we'll even be doing a Dalek spin off together with any luck soon LOL.) Still season 2 should have been the Cybermen's time to shine, with not a Dalek in sight. 

Sadly Doomsday forever undermined the Cybusmen and made them the Daleks bitchy boys in popular culture. 

(I will say that they also clung to the Cybus design for too long. Like I said it works in the first story as a primitive, clunky, industrialized Cyberman design, but it should have progressed and made them more streamlined for later stories. That said though the Sugababe Cybermen from Dark Water were worse.) 

I love the ones in Series 2. Very sleek-looking and I like the Stomp! Stomp! Stomp! when they walk. The ones introduced in Series 7 are absolute shit. They changed the voices too which I always thought were fine in the RTD/early Moffat era.

[iank]

New Poo Cybusmen have never been anything but shit.