IMDB description of RTD

[burrunjor]

Honestly I'm starting to feel bad for the guy now. I mean my sympathy is limited after what he did to Eccelston which was full on Kathleen Kennedy shit, but still the pile on is so huge. He is going to be seen as the man who killed DW and like I said as bad as his current output is, he is by far the least deserving of the unholy trinity LOL. 

Still as always the mob needs a fall guy and RTD by stepping in at the last minute became a good figure for them. 

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

I don't feel bad for him in the slighest. He's a nasty piece of work who sells short even his most loyal fans and spits on other people's work.

[burrunjor]

Jul 10, 2024 10:06:44 GMT Cherry Pepsi Maxil said:

I don't feel bad for him in the slighest. He's a nasty piece of work who sells short even his most loyal fans and spits on other people's work.

That is fair enough, but given how righteous I've been about the Gina Carano thing I'm always mindful not to let a backlash go too far. 

He really hasn't done himself any favours on social media certainly and let's not forget as well that part of why he came back was to gobble up the franchise for himself and the Bad Wolf company as Mr Osgood pointed out, he basically owns the rights to all of it now. He is Shakespearian in his downfall LOL with his greed getting the better of him. 

Jon Blum though still insisted before I was banned from GB again that the show is doing better now than it ever did in Classic Who. Again I don't understand people like him who grew up with old who and champion this?

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The IMDb description comes across as cheekily self-referential more than anything, a nod to his polarising nature as a writer

[cyberhat]

That seems as fair and accurate a summary as you can get. He's either called a genius or a hack, that's just right.

[rushy]

at this point, they're all equally deserving

RTD has a consistent vision and is a good salesman, but he comes off as a pretty rubbish person

Moffat is the most intelligent writer, but he's also the most overtly smug and self-indulgent, leading to chaos

Chibnall is probably the nicest person out of the lost, but he seems completely adrift without oversight

[Deleted]

Yeah, I think RTD is the best leader (and hype-man) of the three of them. Moffat is too much of a solo artist and Chibnall is that one teacher who can't control a classroom.

[Ludders II]

For me, Chibnall comes across as more incompetent than actually hateful. He's like Davies and Moffat's pet dog.
Whereas Davies and Moffat are in a tie-break situation for most contemptible wanker of the lot.
Davies is more of troll who wants to deliberately change DW into his own personal wank fantasy and doesn't give a shit about the lore or the 'wrong type of fan'.
But Moffat's ego is so immense that he actually thinks that what he does is genuinely serious art, and he's taken DW to the greatest heights it has ever achieved.
They should both be put to the lions with only one sword for them to fight each other for.

[Cherry Pepsi Maxil]

I've always thought Chibnall was a yes man. He did what he was told. RTD seems to have more control and isn't willing to listen to constructive criticism. That's why the same mistakes he made back in the day are still being made now.

[burrunjor]

Jul 10, 2024 16:38:16 GMT Ludders II said:

For me, Chibnall comes across as more incompetent than actually hateful. He's like Davies and Moffat's pet dog.
Whereas Davies and Moffat are in a tie-break situation for most contemptible wanker of the lot.
Davies is more of troll who wants to deliberately change DW into his own personal wank fantasy and doesn't give a shit about the lore or the 'wrong type of fan'.
But Moffat's ego is so immense that he actually thinks that what he does is genuinely serious art, and he's taken DW to the greatest heights it has ever achieved.
They should both be put to the lions with only one sword for them to fight each other for.

That assessment of RTD is completely apt. 




Moff meanwhile whilst I agree he does have an ego and is very pretentious about things, I don't think he is such a bad guy. He seems quite charming and affable in certain interviews. I honestly think he suffers from that insecurity of being seen as a saddo nerdy loser who likes sci fi, and so tries desperately to make DW seem cool and edgy and is very guilty of going with the flow. 

As Clockwork said so many of his opinions are contradictory. 

This is a man who called Tom Baker a sad, mad old ham who either disappeared into a retirement home for lardies or was locked away safely in a voice over booth, but then invited him back for a special appearance, a man who said Doctor Who is a kids show and should always been seen as such, but then has disturbing ideas of the dead being alive and feeling pain and the Doctor killing himself and Missy looking down at the Simm Masters cock etc. 

That's  his biggest failing as a writer and is what ultimately brought him down in the Capaldi era. 

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I think I would have found that funny when I was in my tumblr phase at like age 12

[cyberhat]

Jul 10, 2024 16:38:16 GMT Ludders II said:

For me, Chibnall comes across as more incompetent than actually hateful. He's like Davies and Moffat's pet dog.
Whereas Davies and Moffat are in a tie-break situation for most contemptible wanker of the lot.
Davies is more of troll who wants to deliberately change DW into his own personal wank fantasy and doesn't give a shit about the lore or the 'wrong type of fan'.
But Moffat's ego is so immense that he actually thinks that what he does is genuinely serious art, and he's taken DW to the greatest heights it has ever achieved.
They should both be put to the lions with only one sword for them to fight each other for.

Moffat is Graham Linehan without the transphobia and less laughs

[burrunjor]

Jul 10, 2024 19:08:44 GMT cyberhat said:

Jul 10, 2024 16:38:16 GMT Ludders II said:

For me, Chibnall comes across as more incompetent than actually hateful. He's like Davies and Moffat's pet dog.
Whereas Davies and Moffat are in a tie-break situation for most contemptible wanker of the lot.
Davies is more of troll who wants to deliberately change DW into his own personal wank fantasy and doesn't give a shit about the lore or the 'wrong type of fan'.
But Moffat's ego is so immense that he actually thinks that what he does is genuinely serious art, and he's taken DW to the greatest heights it has ever achieved.
They should both be put to the lions with only one sword for them to fight each other for.

Moffat is Graham Linehan without the transphobia and less laughs

Sorry I disagree with that. Glinner is a really nasty guy. He smears people as child abusers over nothing and outright tried to ruin Count Dankula's life with a "I want to speak with the manager" mentality. 

Ironically Glinner has a better track record as a writer as most of his stuff holds up, but far more unpleasant in real life. The only one of the Fitzroy Crowd who is possibly as bad is RTD for blacklisting Eccelston. 

[iank]

RTD is a twonk who should never have been let near this show.

[Spark Doll King]

So thats what that whole Mavity thing is about. It's stupid.