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Post by Ludders II on May 18, 2024 14:53:32 GMT
Meanwhile I'm still waiting for the Doctor to return from "Come on Ace, we've got work to do. You don't like McGann? I know the film isn't perfect, but I don't recall any issues with his portrayal. Years ago I used to say that it was McCoy's best portrayal, but it's more because I liked the idea of him as an older Doctor, and I did like his longer hair and costume. Nowadays, having heard him as an older Doctor in Big Finish, I wish he'd stayed like he was in TVM and not regenerated at all. McGann's also done some great BF's in years gone by, in recent years he sounds like he phones it in a lot of the time whereas McCoy NEVER does. Even though obviously sounds older these days. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 18, 2024 14:58:33 GMT
I always thought people saying McCoy was at his best in the TV movie was simply a piss-take because he ends up just rambling like a nutter, getting shot and dying. I can sort of see why people would like the look of him and the fact that he's older, but I don't think the TV Movie does anything good with him beyond his attire. I got the sense they just wanted him out the way as soon as possible to make way for McGann.
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Post by Ludders II on May 18, 2024 15:05:22 GMT
I always thought people saying McCoy was at his best in the TV movie was simply a piss-take because he ends up just rambling like a nutter, getting shot and dying. I can sort of see why people would like the look of him and the fact that he's older, but I don't think the TV Movie does anything good with him beyond his attire. I got the sense they just wanted him out the way as soon as possible to make way for McGann. I haven't seen it for donkeys years. I just don't like it that much. But looking back in hindsight, I think you're right. It's funny though, as an older fan who was massively put off by S24, it took me years to get over my bias, but it's mainly thanks to Big Finish and picturing him as an older Doctor that I was able to go back and appreciate his era more. |
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Post by rushy on May 18, 2024 15:31:23 GMT
I always thought people saying McCoy was at his best in the TV movie was simply a piss-take because he ends up just rambling like a nutter, getting shot and dying. I can sort of see why people would like the look of him and the fact that he's older, but I don't think the TV Movie does anything good with him beyond his attire. I got the sense they just wanted him out the way as soon as possible to make way for McGann. I appreciate the fact that they brought him back at all. Even if it wasn't for the film's benefit, it's a nice nod to the original series. And McCoy does his best with what he's given. I love the early bits with him chilling in the TARDIS. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 18, 2024 15:34:59 GMT
I always thought people saying McCoy was at his best in the TV movie was simply a piss-take because he ends up just rambling like a nutter, getting shot and dying. I can sort of see why people would like the look of him and the fact that he's older, but I don't think the TV Movie does anything good with him beyond his attire. I got the sense they just wanted him out the way as soon as possible to make way for McGann. I appreciate the fact that they brought him back at all. Even if it wasn't for the film's benefit, it's a nice nod to the original series. And McCoy does his best with what he's given. I love the early bits with him chilling in the TARDIS. They originally wanted Tom Baker because McCoy was seen as a failure. I think they brought him back reluctantly. The 7th Doctor of the TV Movie is not the same character as the one in Fenric I'm afraid. The 7th Doctor of Season 26 wouldn't walk into a hail of bullets. The TV Movie isn't terrible in my opinion. I've seen a lot of made for VHS/TV movies from that period of time and this is one of the better produced ones. Even if it did inspire some aspects of NuWho, the TARDIS interior is absolutely incredible and McGann and Roberts give the film an energy it might not have had otherwise. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 18, 2024 15:40:10 GMT
From IMDB:
"The BBC originally wanted Tom Baker, who played the Fourth Doctor in Doctor Who (1963), to be the Doctor at the opening of the film, as this version of the Doctor is the one most familiar to American audiences. The American executive producer Philip David Segal insisted on Sylvester McCoy, as he was an avid Doctor Who fan and felt the Seventh Doctor still deserved a proper send-off. BBC One Controller Alan Yentob and executive producer Jo Wright were very resistant to the return of Sylvester McCoy, as they associated him with the decline in popularity and eventual cancellation of the original series. Wright eventually said that McCoy could appear as long as he was "in it for a very short time and didn't say anything""
Good on Segal. The BBC can shove it.
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Post by Ludders II on May 18, 2024 15:48:27 GMT
The 7th Doctor of Season 26 wouldn't walk into a hail of bullets. Do you think the move towards making the Doctor more of powerful, moving towards God-like character was a good thing in retrospect? Or do you think he was better as just a kind of average time lord who stole a Tardis a went on the run? |
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Post by burrunjor on May 18, 2024 15:51:31 GMT
Okay I hate to say I watched it I am a glutton for punishment LOL. I only had it on in the background whilst I was writing and didn't really watch it much, but still from what I did gather.
Well it was not as bad as the first two as it was at least an attempt at doing a proper sci fi story. Also I agree with Yak that the actress playing the new companion, (not Ruby, her successor) is actually really good. I'm sorry that she will be lumbered with a poor Doctor She's really, really cute, bubbly but tough and no nonsense at the same time. Ah well maybe I can ask her to be in one of my series LOL
Other than her however, everything else was pretty crap.
Sorry Moffat, I like some of your older stuff and you seem like a really cool guy, but this was just a who's who of his cliches and new who cliches as well. Honestly people have a cheek going on about Terry Nation using old ideas. At least his were fun and suited the show.
Okay tepid romance that seems like a teenager wrote it. "Ohhhhhh he likes me, he likes me, let's have a snog."
Power of looooooooovvvvvvve a force from aboooooooooooovvvvve saves the day.
Virtual afterlife, and someone takes control of the virtual afterlife and saves the day. Danny Pink and the Cybermen, River in the Library etc. Guy needs to get over his obsession with death.
Priests who are soldiers.
Characters who repeat the same f*cking line over and over (why he thinks this is a good quirk I don't know?)
A villain who is an old lady. Seriously what the f*ck is the Fitzroy's obsession with that? Smith and Jones, the Maureen Lippman "FEEED ME", the Slitheen woman, the village of old people in Matt's first season, Diana Rigg etc. Why do they love crazy old crones so much? Must have been a mean Primary School teacher or something? Looks like they will be reusing that again next week.
Ridiculous retcon that makes 0 sense. The Doctor is such a powerful being from another dimension if the mine blows him up then half the entire planet will be destroyed with him. Why has that never been a problem before in all the times he has been almost blown to pieces? Remember when the Ice Warriors were going to make his body explode in the Troughton era? Why didn't he try and get out of it that way? Similarly why has the Master tried to blow him up knowing this many times? "Either we destroy Axos or Axos destroys the world?" Eh no Master if you blow up a Time Lord the world blows up anyway? Also what about in New Who, when Tennant was willing to blow himself up to stop the Sontarans? Wouldn't that have created a black hole just above the earth? Again this is like Daleks can't die when we've seen them die thousands of times retcon, Davros has eyes and has just been closing them, etc just a stupid thing he's thrown in to try and be clever that doesn't hold up for two miliseconds.
Also finally the worst Moffat trope. Every single line of dialogue is a pretentious, overwrought attempt at getting a "tears in the rain" type speech. This wasn't the worst example like Good Man Goes To War poem, or Hellbent where truly every line was like that, but yeah the ending where the Doctor goes on about "snow isn't snow until has fallen" and all that is left is love were textbook examples of this. (That last one was also taken from the Crow where it had so much more umph as it came after a genuinely poignant, brutal, moving, but beautiful love story and obviously had the added tragedy of Brandon Lee himself.)
The only even remotely interesting idea was just taken from an old Star Trek episode, where there is a computer that calculates how many people need to die in a war based on its statistics, but Moffat didn't do anything new with the concept. In fact he did it considerably worse.
Sorry Moffat, clearly he has nothing else to say for DW at this stage. Time to move on.
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Post by rushy on May 18, 2024 15:54:28 GMT
I feel like it makes sense. The Time Lords are incredibly powerful already, but they're repressed and isolationist. The Doctor would initially feel like a fish out of water as he time travels, not quite certain where he's going or what he's doing. But he becomes used to it, and ends up being much more experienced, calculating and wise than the other Time Lords. That's my interpretation of it.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 18, 2024 15:54:31 GMT
The 7th Doctor of Season 26 wouldn't walk into a hail of bullets. Do you think the move towards making the Doctor more of powerful, moving towards God-like character was a good thing in retrospect? Or do you think he was better as just a kind of average time lord who stole a Tardis a went on the run? I like the latter better, but I do enjoy the "more than just another Time Lord" stuff in the McCoy era. It didn't really going anywhere but I appreciate the attempt to make him more mysterious. I do prefer the idea of him going, "f*ck this" and leaving his home planet, though. It just suits the character more. |
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Post by burrunjor on May 18, 2024 15:55:08 GMT
From IMDB: "The BBC originally wanted Tom Baker, who played the Fourth Doctor in Doctor Who (1963), to be the Doctor at the opening of the film, as this version of the Doctor is the one most familiar to American audiences. The American executive producer Philip David Segal insisted on Sylvester McCoy, as he was an avid Doctor Who fan and felt the Seventh Doctor still deserved a proper send-off. BBC One Controller Alan Yentob and executive producer Jo Wright were very resistant to the return of Sylvester McCoy, as they associated him with the decline in popularity and eventual cancellation of the original series. Wright eventually said that McCoy could appear as long as he was "in it for a very short time and didn't say anything"" Good on Segal. The BBC can shove it. Yeah f*ck Alan Yentob. Little prick did an interview with RTD recently where he kissed his arse. In Yentob, a man of culture's mind monsters made of baby snot, farting aliens, Anne Robinson robots, aliens that wank people to death, Cyber boobs are all examples of sophisticated science fiction, but a story about a man losing his faith due to the horrors of both world wars and is unable to repel vampires with a cross, and that brings in dirty secrets of our own history about the wests plans to f*ck over Russia after the war, vampire fiction and Norse mythology is embarrassing, campy nonsense? |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 18, 2024 15:58:12 GMT
Okay I hate to say I watched it I am a glutton for punishment LOL. I only had it on in the background whilst I was writing and didn't really watch it much, but still from what I did gather. Well it was not as bad as the first two as it was at least an attempt at doing a proper sci fi story. Also I agree with Yak that the actress playing the new companion, (not Ruby, her successor) is actually really good. I'm sorry that she will be lumbered with a poor Doctor She's really, really cute, bubbly but tough and no nonsense at the same time. Ah well maybe I can ask her to be in one of my series LOL Other than her however, everything else was pretty crap. Sorry Moffat, I like some of your older stuff and you seem like a really cool guy, but this was just a who's who of his cliches and new who cliches as well. Honestly people have a cheek going on about Terry Nation using old ideas. At least his were fun and suited the show. Okay tepid romance that seems like a teenager wrote it. "Ohhhhhh he likes me, he likes me, let's have a snog." Power of looooooooovvvvvvve a force from aboooooooooooovvvvve saves the day. Virtual afterlife, and someone takes control of the virtual afterlife and saves the day. Danny Pink and the Cybermen, River in the Library etc. Guy needs to get over his obsession with death. Priests who are soldiers. Characters who repeat the same f*cking line over and over (why he thinks this is a good quirk I don't know?) A villain who is an old lady. Seriously what the f*ck is the Fitzroy's obsession with that? Smith and Jones, the Maureen Lippman "FEEED ME", the Slitheen woman, the village of old people in Matt's first season, Diana Rigg etc. Why do they love crazy old crones so much? Must have been a mean Primary School teacher or something? Looks like they will be reusing that again next week. Ridiculous retcon that makes 0 sense. The Doctor is such a powerful being from another dimension if the mine blows him up then half the entire planet will be destroyed with him. Why has that never been a problem before in all the times he has been almost blown to pieces? Remember when the Ice Warriors were going to make his body explode in the Troughton era? Why didn't he try and get out of it that way? Similarly why has the Master tried to blow him up knowing this many times? "Either we destroy Axos or Axos destroys the world?" Eh no Master if you blow up a Time Lord the world blows up anyway? Also what about in New Who, when Tennant was willing to blow himself up to stop the Sontarans? Wouldn't that have created a black hole just above the earth? Again this is like Daleks can't die when we've seen them die thousands of times retcon, Davros has eyes and has just been closing them, etc just a stupid thing he's thrown in to try and be clever that doesn't hold up for two miliseconds. Also finally the worst Moffat trope. Every single line of dialogue is a pretentious, overwrought attempt at getting a "tears in the rain" type speech. This wasn't the worst example like Good Man Goes To War poem, or Hellbent where truly every line was like that, but yeah the ending where the Doctor goes on about "snow isn't snow until has fallen" and all that is left is love were textbook examples of this. (That last one was also taken from the Crow where it had so much more umph as it came after a genuinely poignant, brutal, moving, but beautiful love story and obviously had the added tragedy of Brandon Lee himself.) The only even remotely interesting idea was just taken from an old Star Trek episode, where there is a computer that calculates how many people need to die in a war based on its statistics, but Moffat didn't do anything new with the concept. In fact he did it considerably worse. Sorry Moffat, clearly he has nothing else to say for DW at this stage. Time to move on. The repeated words or sentences thing is tedious beyond belief. "Are you my mummy?" "Don't Blink" "Who turned out the lights?" "Donna Noble has left the library" and whatever the crap that was said last night. |
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Post by Ludders II on May 18, 2024 16:09:13 GMT
Do you think the move towards making the Doctor more of powerful, moving towards God-like character was a good thing in retrospect? Or do you think he was better as just a kind of average time lord who stole a Tardis a went on the run? I like the latter better, but I do enjoy the "more than just another Time Lord" stuff in the McCoy era. It didn't really going anywhere but I appreciate the attempt to make him more mysterious. I do prefer the idea of him going, "f*ck this" and leaving his home planet, though. It just suits the character more. Similarly, I liked it on one level, but much as I love Remembrance I was a bit shocked when he apparently preordained the destruction of Skaro and set it into motion in an almost cavalier manner. It seemed at odds with the character who was agonising over the moral dilemma of destroying the Daleks in Genesis. Although I've come to accept it now in terms of character development, I did think at the time, well if the Doctor can do all that, what's the point anymore of opposing him by any other means except an equal and opposite force? It almost seemed to big for the character whose biggest problem in my day was fixing the Tardis to escape from Earth. 😆 I do love Remembrance though. It's tremendous on a number of levels. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2024 16:09:39 GMT
A villain who is an old lady. Seriously what the f*ck is the Fitzroy's obsession with that? Smith and Jones, the Maureen Lippman "FEEED ME", the Slitheen woman, the village of old people in Matt's first season, Diana Rigg etc. Why do they love crazy old crones so much? Must have been a mean Primary School teacher or something? Looks like they will be reusing that again next week. To be fair, old lady villains are quite creepy to me. There is this latent fear you have of old ladies as a young boy. It's because they want to feed you and fatten you and keep you forever. You gotta be wary of that. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 18, 2024 18:01:39 GMT
Someone on the production team loves GILFs.
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